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  Remember when you could wear casual clothes to the congregation book study?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would get home from work,eat dinner,shower and put on jeans,a shirt and gym shoes to the book study.

  then,one day a letter was read where men would need to wear a suit and tie and the woman would have to wear dresses.

  it was stated in a letter that the change was due to, '' giving a better witness to anyone who would watch us walking into our local congregation or a neighbor's house.''.

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  vinman

  Yep. In the 70's, early 80's, you could. Heck, I wore a Fender guitar t-shirt.
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  Are Circuit Overseers next?

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  last year saw the elimination of the district overseer...and circuit overseers now must retire at 70. how long until the circuit overseer is no more?

  of course, the role might still exist, they would simply not get paid.

  they would have to care for their own expenses.

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  vinman

  I could easily see the organization choosing a pool of "qualified" men from each circuit who would be willing to sacrifice an assigned week or even just a weekend to visit a congregation. Even it was done only in certain countries, it would save money. Many elders would jump at this opportunity. If they stop construction, then anything is possible.
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  The Org's Chariot Rolls On - Over the Top of People!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  information just received from a reliable source.. here is an example of how the org's "expansion" is being carried out in 3 continents: .

  japan - special pioneers under age 50 are being told they will now only be regular pioneers.barcelona spain - the regional translation (catalan) office is being closed.mexico - special pioneers being told they will only be regular pioneers - no age specified on this one.. the scene of the org's world is changing - rapidly!.

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  vinman

  I don't care what anyone says. I was a hardcore lifer. This is absolutely insane what is happening. You can't say this is not different. We can't even keep up with the "apostate chariot"!! It is coming in so fast, that my mind hasn't even been on the Royal Commission!! The Watchtower may not of sunk yet, but it has hit the iceberg. And the GB are playing the violins. Jeremiah, 6:14 : "They have healed also the hurt of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace."
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  Letter from Brazilian Branch: Buildings

  by TheTruthBR in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this letter will be read in all the congregations of brazil on the service meeting this week.

  (google translation - original available)originala todas as congregacoesprezados irmaos:nao ha duvida de que jeova tem abencoado ricamente seu povo no mundo inteiro.

  isso fica evidenteno aumento do numero de publicadores e no notavel progresso espiritual de nossa organizacao.

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  vinman

  Hmmm...Luke, 14:28 - "For which of you, desiring to build a tower, doesn't first sit down and count the cost, to see if he has enough to complete it?" That was always counsel for us low life r&f. Well folks I guess it is our turn. Luke, 14:29,30 : "Or perhaps, when he has laid a foundation, and is not able to finish, everyone who sees begins to MOCK him, Luke, 14:30 - saying, 'This man began to build, and wasn't able to finish.'
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  I admit- I make my TMS talks apostate

  by fr0808 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello (not a new user - had to reregister with the site revamp).

  i look for every way to make my 5 minute talks devoid of wt flavor.

  i try to be positive -talk about god's love for humanity.

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  vinman

  When I was elder I would always say things that would irritate the hard nosed company men. I did this for years. Maybe the seed for awakening was planted many years ago. I would say things like: "Now the hours you put in field service are really not important. When Armageddon strikes, no angel is going to be digging through the publisher card file and checking who is a low hour publisher." Or, "Jehovah doesn't care if you are an elder, pioneer, ms- those things mean absolutely nothing to him. What matters is that you are a kind person in your heart..." No wonder the elders hated me. But like yourself, the congregation embraced it.
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  I Wonder How Many Hater Of The Governing Body Exist At Bethel?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  with all that is becoming public now about the mismanagement of the watchtower corp by the governing body, the list of hater must be growing and this posses a risk i think of the gb's getting injured right there in their at headquarter over all the betrayal and harm they have inflicted to keep things quite(df'n those who know ttatt) to hide their badness and lies.. 1600 lay offs and putting legal in a jam, buying several chemical dumps for real estate and much much more i think spells serious trouble right there at head quarter that might erupt at any moment.. i know if i was a bethelite and had signed my life away to these corporate bastards and all this was starting to open my eyes i would be having serious thoughts about doing a few of those assholes in since my access to them would be in reach..

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  I would be afraid if I were a GB member. If someone meditates too much on the pain they caused, a person could easily go theocratic on them.
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  On the realization you will not "live forever"

  by problemaddict 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something struck me last week.

  i have been dealing with what i can only describe as a fear of death.

  i'm not old and not in bad health.

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  Ecclesiastes, 12:1: " Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth, before the evil days come, and the years draw near, when you will say, "I have no pleasure in them;"

  Ecclesiastes, 12:13 : This is the end of the matter. All has been heard. Fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man.

  Ecclesiastes, 12:14 : For God will bring every work into judgment, with every hidden thing, whether it is good, or whether it is evil.

  John, 5:28: "Don't marvel at this, for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs will hear his voice, and will come out; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.
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  where shall we go

  by Sabin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yesterday i read something that hurt my heart.

  at a talk given by a brother lyman swingle ( i apologize if i am stepping out of line by using this) he said "that if you leave the jw ( i find it difficult to refer to it as the truth now days) you may as well go jump off a bridge".

  this i think is disgraceful talk to say to any body let alone an audience in which children are present.

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  vinman

  Mind control is so powerful. It starts to control you immediately. Like this point about "where will you go?" That seed of thought is planted when someone new sees an article entitled, "How can I find the true religion?" on jw.org. Immediately, the question sucks you into thinking that their is a true religion, even if you have never contemplated such a thought. A false premise. A person then becomes a witness. It is then assumed that truth is found within a physical organization somewhere. He discovers TTATT and he is stuck with that mind controlling question. And Yes, millie210, I too found it a relief to to see the word "whom". Talk about mind control!! I am such an idiot.
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  Tired of the truth... Tired of doubting

  by Deltawave in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm reaching out here, i've known ttatt for about 3-4 years now.

  sadly when i first grasped it i had a total mental breakdown as i was a hard core firm to the core pioneer and 110% believer of my faith.!

  now nearly 2years on after my breakdown i still have to attend to please my jw wife.

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  vinman

  Magnum wrote:

  However, rather than such making me unhappy, they make me mad. I think it would be beneficial for you to have a similar reaction.

  Good advice. My dad was a violent child abuser. My brothers did not turn out well. They have mental issues now. I on the other hand have had success and it really has had no detrimental affects. The reason: Magnum's advice. Anger at organization, not individuals, does help.
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  Would Jesus have been disfellowshipped by the "Elders" of his day . . . . . .

  by Dunedain in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i bet jesus would have been df'd by the "elders" in his day.

  lets think about it, jesus hung out with "worldly" people.

  his closest friends were known prostitutes, money collectors, men of "prominence" in the world of that day, non "beleivers" of the "faith" like samaritans, and many others that todays "elders" would have deemed "unworthy".. jesus spoke against the "organization" and "elders" of his day.

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  vinman

  You make some very good points. In fact, I think I have a couple of elders I would like to share my "new light" with.