Posts by vinman

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Ray Franz was an Idiot

by vinman in

ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

in search of christian freedom?

If you read some of my replies, you will see that the point I was making was sarcastic . We get angry when we see such demeaning words towards this individual. We would never say anything unkind to him. I know I wouldn't. I wish I had the chance to meet him. In Search of Christian Freedom was a lifesaver for me. I have noticed that those who have continued in their worship, really don't slam atheists and constantly ridicule them unless they are attacked. However, if anyone talks about God, so many jump on the chance to ridicule. You can't tell a believer that you respect Franz and then add, even if he worshipped an "imaginary God." That is not respectful. That would be like me saying: "I respect the views of atheists even though they are ignorant." My point is simple: If you would never speak to Franz in some demeaning way and try to undermine his faith, why do it to others? I realize that all don't do that. But for those that do....

PS: I appreciate violias comment. A very thoughtful and compassionate comment.😌

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What has the Watchtower reading material done to YOU?

by The Rebel in

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the reason i ask is because i realise i couldn't go on reading watchtower material.

i have discovered it did something to my mind no other literature has done to me before.

it had turned me in to a person without a heart, or soul, and made me in humane and distant from other humans who didn't share the w.t world view.. i now feel ashamed of my childish behaviour, and i have learnt :-.

vinman

Your words: Ditto for me. What I thought was deep Bible study, now looks shallow and uninviting. Not much to meditate on. No flexibility when it came to real conscience matters. At times I flip through the newer magazines and realize that it truly was mind controlling. It speaks to a very shallow group. Since then I have found an abundance of bIble scholars, scientists, historians, that give me something to really chew on.

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Ray Franz was an Idiot

by vinman in

ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

in search of christian freedom?

vinman

My point exactly.

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Ray Franz was an Idiot

by vinman in

ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

in search of christian freedom?

vinman

Just Kidding:

Didn't you just do that yourself???

I was simply being sarcastic. If we wouldn't call Franz names or put him down in anyway, why do so many here do it to others? Favoritism. My statement is for those who treat likeminded people in a negative way. It actually chases others away. I have read that so many times about sites like these.

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Ray Franz was an Idiot

by vinman in

ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

in search of christian freedom?

vinman

I have respect for Steve2 and others like him.😌

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Ray Franz was an Idiot

by vinman in

ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

in search of christian freedom?

vinman

Steve2

Ray Franz was above all else a respectful and empathic man. He did not attempt to convert people to his point of view but was cautious in his statements because he knew that most of his listeners had been through the mill with organized religion.

I guess I don't see this on this forum. I see name calling, calling God names, and much arrogance and disrespect.

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Ray Franz was an Idiot

by vinman in

ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

in search of christian freedom?

vinman

I beleve we have missed the point. I will try harder next time.

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Ray Franz was an Idiot

by vinman in

ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

in search of christian freedom?

vinman

Easy everyone. Faye is correct. Just making the point of favortism and atheism.

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I feel trapped...I might return to the Borg....

by JustHuman14 in

i have being thinking quite a while before posting.

actually i haven't post for quite a long in the forum and i guess i'm one of the old ones, since i became member since 2001.. after leaving the borg for almost 16 years and disfellowshiped 10 years ago.

you can see my relevant post:.

vinman

Read the book : Exiting the JW Cult by Bonnie Zieman. 30 years into the Watchtower and then became a psychologist. The book is up to date. Helps you through your feelings. Hope it works out for you.

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Ray Franz was an Idiot

by vinman in

ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

in search of christian freedom?

vinman

Ray Franz who gave us insight into the GB due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have. I mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. How stupid can you be? In Search of Christian Freedom? Really? How can anyone with half a brain believe such a thing? I mean, if Ray Franz was alive tdoay and he came and visited this site, I would tell him that he better get an education so he could improve. his critical thinking skills. What an idiot.....just saying.