Posts by Jeffro

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A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

by Londo111 in

this is the main series playlist:.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

this is the accompanying video appendix:.

Jeffro

If circular reasoning directs me to the Bible then so be it. I wear it as a badge of honour.

Idiot.

My endpoint of 537 is no more or less speculative than yours because we have to deal with the same body of facts.

Incorrect. But beyond that, I don't have any preconceived dogma of magical thinking to prop up by selecting any particular year. Idiot.

Your interpretation of Jeremiah 25:12 is simply nonsense, ignoring the context and the theology of Jeremiah.

My 'interpretation' is based on what it actually says. Idiot.

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What's The STRANGEST Thing You've Seen At A Kingdom Hall?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i saw a fight break out on the platform between an elder and a unbelieving husband who accused the elder of f---ing his wife.

he then threw the lectern on the floor and pushed the elder.

it was cool.......

Jeffro

UltimateAxiom:

When the babylon book was being studied at the book study, this sister from Iraq would pronounce Zerubbabel as Zeru-bubble. I didn't notice it at first, but after my wife whispered in my ear, I had to stiffle a laugh everytime she said it.

The lady you were laughing at was pronouncing the original name (which only has the /b/ sounds in the Babel part) more correctly than the Anglicised form. I will now have to "stiffle" (stifle) my laughter at your ignorance.

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A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

by Londo111 in

this is the main series playlist:.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

this is the accompanying video appendix:.

Jeffro

scholiar:

The only significant event which marked the beginning oif the seventy years was the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE and the only two significant events which climaxed the end of the seventy years was the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE shortly followed by the Return of the Exiles in 537BCE.

Still clinging to bizarre circular reasoning. Idiot.

There was no significant event in 607, and you have already acknowledged that your selected end-point is entirely speculative. And your claims about the JW view being compatible with the direct wording at Jeremiah 25:12 make it obvious that, in the minds of 'faithful' JWs, JW dogma trumps what the Bible actually says.

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A Brief History of Racism in Watchtower Publications

by cedars in

i've just completed a lengthy article on the history of racism in the society's publications.

many people (including myself, until recently) aren't aware that the society's early publications were brimming with racist rhetoric, and this only calmed down as the public mood towards racism changed, most notably with the civil rights movement in the 50s/60s.. a few "headliners" from the article are:.

russell segregated blacks from whites for viewings of the photodramarussell believed that the skin of a black man would turn white during the millennial kingdomunder russell, the society's publications portrayed the black races as "degraded" and the white race as "superior"rutherford viewed the blacks as a "race of servants", and spoke of "sobering the southern negro" in an article against prohibitionunder rutherford, the golden age slammed uncle tom's cabin (a work that helped end slavery) as being "the work of satan"; the same article branded spaniards a "backwards race"rutherford accused "jewish business men" of "oppressing the peoples of many nations"in 1929 the golden age (acknowledged by the society as essentially the same magazine as the modern awake!

Jeffro

whathappened:

At least the black race wasn't annihilated by Jehovah like so many other national groups in the old testiment.

(2 Chronicles 14:12, 13) 12 At that Jehovah defeated the E·thi·o′pi·ans before A′sa and before Judah, and the E·thi·o′pi·ans took to flight. 13 And A′sa and the people that were with him kept pursuing them as far as Ge′rar, and those of the E·thi·o′pi·ans continued falling down till there was no one alive of them; for they were broken to pieces before Jehovah and before his camp. Afterward they carried off a very great deal of spoil.

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A Brief History of Racism in Watchtower Publications

by cedars in

i've just completed a lengthy article on the history of racism in the society's publications.

many people (including myself, until recently) aren't aware that the society's early publications were brimming with racist rhetoric, and this only calmed down as the public mood towards racism changed, most notably with the civil rights movement in the 50s/60s.. a few "headliners" from the article are:.

russell segregated blacks from whites for viewings of the photodramarussell believed that the skin of a black man would turn white during the millennial kingdomunder russell, the society's publications portrayed the black races as "degraded" and the white race as "superior"rutherford viewed the blacks as a "race of servants", and spoke of "sobering the southern negro" in an article against prohibitionunder rutherford, the golden age slammed uncle tom's cabin (a work that helped end slavery) as being "the work of satan"; the same article branded spaniards a "backwards race"rutherford accused "jewish business men" of "oppressing the peoples of many nations"in 1929 the golden age (acknowledged by the society as essentially the same magazine as the modern awake!

Jeffro

The racist comments in early Watch Tower Society literature reflect the prevailing racist attitudes common at the time in general society. They don't indicate that the WTS was more racist. This doesn't mean the things published by the WTS were good, it just means it's just another 'worldly' organisation.

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A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

by Londo111 in

this is the main series playlist:.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

this is the accompanying video appendix:.

Jeffro

we have Wt issues on Chronology been published in two issues

And what laughably dishonest attempts they were. See here and here.

Your comment about 609BCE and Assyria is problematic as a beginning for the seventy years.

Notice how pseudo-scholar attempts to skirt around the fact that there was a significant event 70 years prior to the known end point of the 70 years when Babylon's king was "called to account".

The exile had not ended and the land of Judah was still desolate so the seventy years must have ended after 539 according to the specific words of Jeremiah .

That is no rationale at all for entirely ignoring what is directly stated at Jeremiah 25:12 (not to mention completely ignoring the context of Jeremiah 29:10). The Bible never mentions 70 years of exile, and explicitly states that "all these nations" would serve Babylon (Jeremiah 25:8-11), and that only nations that would not submit would be exiled (Jeremiah 27:8-11).

It may come as a surprise to you Ann is that I care not one iota whether Jeffro has read COJ for there were other scholars who wrote similar criticisms of WT chronology long before COJ and Jeffro.

But you can be certain that pseudo-scholar will continue to make the claim about my research when it suits him, even though he knows his claim to be false.

If a published regnal list agrees with that published by WT then that proves that we are doing something right and that we are competent in the field of chronology .

No, moron. The JW chronology of the Divided Monarchy is based on that provided by James Ussher - unsurprising for an Adventist sect that developed from Protestantism. That is why there are relative synchronisms with other Christian sources regarding the 390-year period, which is derived from Ezekiel 4:5. However, the years assigned by the Watch Tower Society for the Divided Monarchy are all wrong because of their 20-year gap in the Neo-Babylonian period, and the years they assign have no agreement from other sources.

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A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

by Londo111 in

this is the main series playlist:.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

this is the accompanying video appendix:.

Jeffro

Yes the date 538 is impossible because the timeframe is too short for the many events that are described in the first year of Cyrus.

Aside from it simply being a lie, I thought that statement was particularly funny in view of the fact that the JW dogma forces three years of events from 600 BCE until 598 BCE all into the latter half of 618 BCE because they cram all Nebuchadnezzar's actions from a 7 year period into just 3 years. BM 21946 shows the JW distortions to be entirely impossible.

Of course, all the dates assigned in the JW chronology are wrong as a result of their 20-year gap. But the bits in red indicate relative problems in the JW dogma that are even more wrong.

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A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

by Londo111 in

this is the main series playlist:.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

this is the accompanying video appendix:.

Jeffro

AnnOMaly:

Ann is amused that Neil is referring to himself in the 3rd person so soon and attributing naughty behavior to attractive diagrams. Perhaps they should be spanked most vigorously for their misbehavior and sent to their rooms without supper.

I considered this advice, but a vigorous spanking might damage my monitor, and those "mischevious" diagrams seem completely oblivious to my stern looks of disapproval.

I wonder is pseudo-scholar knows that "mischevious" isn't actually a word...

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A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

by Londo111 in

this is the main series playlist:.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

this is the accompanying video appendix:.

Jeffro

AnnOMaly:

Oh, and make a note, Neil: Jeffro isn't seeking endorsement from COJ - hasn't even read COJ's work - so your comment is meaningless to him.

I haven't read Jonsson's book.

I have read Jonsson's rebuttal to the articles that appeared in The Watchtower of October and November of 2011. However, my own brief overview of those articles was written prior to reading Jonsson's more detailed rebuttal. (The link to Jonsson's response was added later.)

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A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

by Londo111 in

this is the main series playlist:.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

this is the accompanying video appendix:.

Jeffro

scholiar:

The other major problem with your 538 proposal is that you have no ringing endorsement from Carl Jonsson who merely assigns this matter to a footnote in his GTR. His silence or reticience on this speaks volumes.

Readers, notice how 'scholar' usually refers to views contrary to the Watch Tower Society about 607 as 'the Jonsson hypothesis'. Yet here, he contradicts his own ridiculous premise, acknowledging that Jonsson is indeed not the source, nor is his 'endorsement' required. And yet despite having provided many sources that indicate 538, he claims it is merely 'my' proposal.

I'm not going to bother replying to 'scholar' further because he's a waste of time. However, if other readers have specific questions about his claims, just let me know, either in the thread or by PM.