Posts by Jeffro

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Elders receive a report that I am openly displaying false religious symbol

by confusedandalone in

when you look at the image above what do you see?

a sneaker or an outward display that i am now following after another religious group?.

well yesterday i had a 10 minute conversation with an elder who finally got the balls to call me.

Jeffro

Hummingbird001:

Rastafarians wear sandals. Like Jesus did. What are they gonna do - disfellowhip Jesus unless he changes his shoes?

No, you're confused. Jesus wore... whatever the Watch Tower Society's art department says he did.

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Suggested Contribution Rate 1 Cor 16:2

by jonahstourguide in

in case you were in doubt, the suggested weekly rate is.

au$50.

page 8 nov 15 2013 study edition .

Jeffro

jonahstourguide:

1.4% of the minimum monthly wage in Australia is $56 and a minimum wage earner here would need to work app 2.7 hrs to earn that.

Your vain attempt at finding a correlation based on an arbitrarily selected country and the approximate colour of banknotes suggests you may be somewhere on the autism spectrum.

However, your calculation for 1.4% of the Australian minimum monthly wage is wrong, as it would be about $38 (less after tax), earned in about 2.4 hours. And based on Togo's 6-day working week, an hour's pay on Togo's minimum wage is about 740 CFA francs (over 2000 CFA francs in your supposed 2.7 hours).

So it looks more like you're just making stuff up.

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Feb 15 study W/T up on jw.org

by konceptual99 in

latest wt is up.. reinforces jesus becoming king in 1914 (no let up on that date).

marriage of the lamb to the 144,000. yawn.... yawn..... celebrates the 100 year anniversary of the photo drama of creation.

it seems to me that every 100 year anniversary shall be celebrated just to try and take the wind from the sails of apostates.. .

Jeffro

Notice how that actual meaning of the '70 weeks' - which corresponds with when Daniel was actually written - is hived away as a side point:

The Essenes, widely thought to have been a Jewish monastic sect, taught that two Messiahs would appear toward the end of 490 years, but we cannot be certain that the Essenes based their calculations on Daniel’s prophecy. Even if they had done so, it is hard to imagine how the Jews in general would have come to be influenced by the chronology of such a reclusive group.
In the second century C.E., certain Jews believed that the 70 weeks covered the period from the destruction of the first temple in 607 B.C.E. to the destruction of the second temple in 70 C.E., while others connected the fulfillment of the prophecy with the Maccabean period of the second century B.C.E. So there was no clear consensus as to how the 70 weeks should be counted.

Applying the '70 weeks' to Jesus is a later Christian invention.

'Messiah' (literally "anointed one") was after the 7 weeks, and is Cyrus (compare Isaiah 45:1), who (according to the Bible) issued 'the word to restore Jerusalem' in 538, 49 years (7 weeks of years) after it was destroyed in 587. (This significant period contrasts with the 'nothing' year of 406BCE selected by the Watch Tower Society for the end of the '7 weeks'.)

'Leader' is not the same person as 'Messiah', despite many English translations ignoring the original Hebrew grammar, and refers to Aristobulus in the 2nd century BCE, who was 'cut off' by Jannaeus.

There's no good reason why Jews would be 'awaiting the Messiah' around 29CE as more likely than any other period.

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philipines disaster news up on jw.org

by Captain Blithering in

jw
friends

http://www.jw.org/en/news/

wouldn't it be nice if they said 'you know what, we've made millions in property sales recently, lets donate a couple million to a philipines relief fund..'

ten vans full, probably just for jw's.

Jeffro

emeth:

If a person is Df'd normal family affections and dealings continue.

No, emeth. You know, or reasonably should know, that that 'rule' only applies for disfellowshipped family members, such as a child, parent or spouse, still living in the family home. As indicated in this deplorable 'advice' to JWs:

*** w88 4/15 p. 28 pars. 13-14 Discipline That Can Yield Peaceable Fruit ***
13 Cutting off from the Christian congregation does not involve immediate death, so family ties continue. Thus, a man who is disfellowshipped or who disassociates himself may still live at home with his Christian wife and faithful children. Respect for God’s judgments and the congregation’s action will move the wife and children to recognize that by his course, he altered the spiritual bond that existed between them. Yet, since his being disfellowshipped does not end their blood ties or marriage relationship, normal family affections and dealings can continue.
14 The situation is different if the disfellowshipped or disassociated one is a relative living outside the immediate family circle and home. It might be possible to have almost no contact at all with the relative.

We all know that 'normal family affections and dealings' do not 'continue' toward former-JW relatives and family members outside the home. So answer the question honestly.

(But thanks for demonstrating the typical JW 'group-think' by using the exact same buzzwords - "normal family affections and dealings continue" - that the JW literature uses.)

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philipines disaster news up on jw.org

by Captain Blithering in

jw
friends

http://www.jw.org/en/news/

wouldn't it be nice if they said 'you know what, we've made millions in property sales recently, lets donate a couple million to a philipines relief fund..'

ten vans full, probably just for jw's.

Jeffro

emeth:

suppose that along the road i notice two people bloody and battered crying out for help,.. one i do recognise as my relative and one as someone i do not know. Its only logical and natural that i would rush to my relative first and do all i can to help her before i look at the other person.

I notice you ignored my question on an earlier thread though...

emeth, who would you look after first: a disfellowshipped blood relative, or a JW?

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philipines disaster news up on jw.org

by Captain Blithering in

jw
friends

http://www.jw.org/en/news/

wouldn't it be nice if they said 'you know what, we've made millions in property sales recently, lets donate a couple million to a philipines relief fund..'

ten vans full, probably just for jw's.

Jeffro

emeth:

@Jeffro that does not change the fact that a medical team is on location

There is no way of confirming the anonymous unofficial report at all, and it was not confirmed by CNN. The anonymous claim that the photo depicts doctors, or that they are 'Watchtower doctors', or that the photo actually relates to relief efforts, is not a 'fact'.

It seems more likely that it was an effort by an over-zealous JW in response to the legitimate aid agencies confirmed by CNNN indicated in the links I added in my previous post.

Even if they're actually doctors, there's still no indication at all that they are officially representing Watchtower.

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philipines disaster news up on jw.org

by Captain Blithering in

jw
friends

http://www.jw.org/en/news/

wouldn't it be nice if they said 'you know what, we've made millions in property sales recently, lets donate a couple million to a philipines relief fund..'

ten vans full, probably just for jw's.

Jeffro

emeth:

a team of doctors, medicines and nurses is also there since last tuesday, and some trucks with relief goods are also on their way.
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1060363

iReport is a self-reporting media resource hosted by CNN.

The 'article' linked above is written by "unclaimed" and is "NOT VETTED BY CNN". As such, it's essentially an anonymous blog post.

Unlike the anonymous JW report that was not approved by CNN, the following were not posted anonymously, were posted earlier (except for 1), and were confirmed as legitimate by CNN:

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1059780

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1060022

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1060687

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1058936

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1059062

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1059575

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How men become homosexuals...

by Calebs Airplane in

finally, i've found the reason why some men become homosexuals.. the 1976 book "your youth: getting the best of it" explains it here in great detail.... .

Jeffro

fulltimestudent:

Jonathon strips naked, (underwear wasn't invented yet)

loincloths go back for thousands of years, and linen undergarments go back about 1500 years.

Even still, the supposed 'covenant' between David and Jonathan seems to be fairly 'intimate' (though it isn't mentioned at all in the Septuagint).

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Suggested Contribution Rate 1 Cor 16:2

by jonahstourguide in

in case you were in doubt, the suggested weekly rate is.

au$50.

page 8 nov 15 2013 study edition .

Jeffro

jonahstourguide:

However, the lowest denomination note with a yellow tinge in Ewe speaking countries is 500 francs.

So? Are you suggesting that there is some worldwide trend for notes of 'high' value to be remotely similar in colour to Australia's $50??

The fact that I arbitrarily chose Ewe for a language edition that uses black people instead of white people in images has absolutely nothing to do with any coincidences regarding the colour of the bank notes in Togo.

In any case, 500 CFA francs equals about US$1.03, and is about 1.4% of the minimum monthly wage in Togo.

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How men become homosexuals...

by Calebs Airplane in

finally, i've found the reason why some men become homosexuals.. the 1976 book "your youth: getting the best of it" explains it here in great detail.... .

Jeffro

Most kissing mentioned in the Bible is between people of the same sex.