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  Did you know that J.F. Rutherford was part of the Knights of Pythias? There's PROOF for this!

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  wow.

  wow.

  wow.someone just sent me a scan of the boonville advertiser newspaper in which it mentions j.f.

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  ILoveTTATT2:

  It is most likely him.

  No, you want it to be him. For someone who supposedly 'loves truth', you're not really that interested in actual truth. There is a J. (John) F. Rutherford who was from Missouri and was later in Arkansas who was president of the Bluff City Lumber Company and that company has many Knights Pythias members, and many of those are also Woodmen members, which is also obviously associated with Lumber. But you want it to be Joseph Franklin Rutherford, and that is essentially the limit of your 'research'. Your threshold for 'truth' is appalling.

  Arkansas is one thing, and Boonville, Missouri, is another.
  

  But they're two different places in two different states!

  Ha ha. John F. Rutherford was in Arkansas around 1910, when he was president of the Lumber company. Joseph F. Rutherford was in Pittsburgh at the same time. Neither were in Missouri then. Hence your assertion that "they're two different places in two different states" is completely irrelevant and your apparent excitement that Boonville is not in Arkansas is quite odd.

  Same first name and middle name initial, and last name, in a small town of less than 4400 people? Safe to assume it's him. But now I want a "smoking gun" proof.

  No. Blatant dishonesty. Joseph and John are entirely different first names.
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  Did you know that J.F. Rutherford was part of the Knights of Pythias? There's PROOF for this!

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  wow.

  wow.

  wow.someone just sent me a scan of the boonville advertiser newspaper in which it mentions j.f.

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  P.S. The person in question was John F. Rutherford.

  Arkansas Democrat, Wednesday, June 9, 1909, Page 2
  

  The largest financial transaction ever recorded here has just been made by John F. Rutherford, president of the Bluff City Lumber Company and recognized as one of the leading financiers of the State.

  Jefferson County Archives:
  

  [David Henry Duncan] came to Arkansas twenty years ago, and engaged in the lumber business, and for the past twelve years was identified with John F. Rutherford of the Bluff City Lumber Company. ... [Duncan] was a thirty-second degree Mason, belonging to the Consistory of New Orleans; also a member of Jerusalem Temple of the Mystic Shrine of New Orleans, and a member of the following orders: Knights of Pythias, Knights of Honor and Woodmen of the World.
  

  Please do some research beyond 'someone has the same initials' in future.
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  Did you know that J.F. Rutherford was part of the Knights of Pythias? There's PROOF for this!

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  wow.

  wow.

  wow.someone just sent me a scan of the boonville advertiser newspaper in which it mentions j.f.

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  Jeffro

  Sorry kids, but although a J.F. Rutherford was in the Knights of Pythias, there's no indication it was Joseph Franklin Rutherford. A little digging shows that the Knights of Pythias had lots of connections with the Bluff City Lumber Company (Arkansas), of which a J.F. Rutherford was the president (in 1909, when Joseph was at the Watch Tower Society in Pittsburgh).

  https://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22Knights+of+Pythias%22+%22Bluff+City+Lumber+Company%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&ei=DqKhWLmnJKjr8AffyJjgCg#q=%22Knights+of+Pythias%22+%22Bluff+City+Lumber+Company%22&tbs=li:1

  https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=gqKhWNK3D7Lr8AeSvoewDQ&gws_rd=ssl#q=%22J.F.+Rutherford%22+%22Bluff+City+Lumber+Company%22
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  The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

  while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

  we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

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  The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

  Islam's holy book doesn't command stoning. (Even though it has a lot of other bad things in it.)

  Edit: Hmmm... I didn't actually read the first post before typing when I saw the title... apparently I was right.
  
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  Or was it Designed???

  by Slidin Fast in

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  awake!

  1 2017 says on its back page.

  the saharan silver ant (cataglyphis bombycina) is one of the most heat-tolerant land animals known.

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  Perry:

  According to the bible's explanation,

  "explanation". ha ha ha ha ha ha... anyway...
  

  the present features we observe in animals that are used for hunting, and defense were not originally used for that purpose. Alternatively, God could have brought in some features we observe as a result of the Fall and the curse upon creation.

  Entirely made-up nonsense.

  In any case, biblical creationists such as JWs are stuck with the problem that they implicitly require that an evolutionary process happened - orders of magnitude faster than what actually occurred in reality (several billion years, which they deny) - after the supposed 'flood' (supposedly around 4000 years ago), an event that was apparently only survived by a relatively limited number of undefined 'kinds' into the wealth of diversity today, while at the same time asserting that specific traits of individual species that couldn't possibly have all fit on the imaginary 'ark' 'must' have been specifically 'created' by their preferred deity. Cognitive dissonance at its best (or worst depending on the context).
  
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  Or was it Designed???

  by Slidin Fast in

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  awake!

  1 2017 says on its back page.

  the saharan silver ant (cataglyphis bombycina) is one of the most heat-tolerant land animals known.

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  Every time JW publications try this tactic of saying some particular species has some 'amazing' trait that 'must' have been 'designed', they demonstrate how dishonest they are.

  If this particular species of ant had to be 'designed' to withstand high temperatures, it would mean this specific species - and by extension all species - would need to be 'preserved' on the fairy-tale 'ark' rather than there only needing to be a few 'kinds' (a vacuous term with no taxonomic meaning).

  In addition, they implicitly assert that their 'loving' god deliberately 'designed' all manner of 'cruel' things in the natural world, such as parasites, viruses, etc.
  

  Back in reality, it is observable that species gradually adapt and become more diverse over time based on their suitability for their environment without requiring a 'designer'.
  
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  AUST: QLD Cairns Post - Tablelands police charge former JW with offences against children

  by darkspilver in

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  i believe this has appeared into today's edition of the cairns post print newspaper (saturday 4 february 2017) at the top of page 4 under the headline: "indecent charges for man" - the actual text of the article is apparently the same as the online version below:.

  cairns post - saturday 4 february 2017. tablelands police charge former jehovah’s witness with offences against children.

  an elderly tablelands man and former jehovah’s witness member will appear in court this month amid allegations he molested three young girls from the church more than 25 years ago.

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  gerry:

  You are right the article is not the same as the BCG case.

  I believe Angus was questioning Ron de Rooy about another case not related to BCG that happened in the Mareeba congregation.

  watch the video again my understanding is that Angus is not talking about BCG's father. Ron de Rooy says he vaguely remembers dealing with this person.

  Sorry, yes I realised after I posted that you were talking about a different case that was mentioned as an aside. I was only going from memory of watching the videos months ago when I initially replied.
  
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  "would you drink a glass of water if it had just a tiny bit of poison in it?"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  no doubt we have all heard that well used "illustration" in public talks etc over the years:.

  "if you were handed a glass of water that looked pure, but were told it has just a tiny drop of poison in it, would you drink it?".

  the society has used that illustration at length to say we should avoid all influences of every part of the world.. but, as we know, the society has had a track record of errors, false ideas and doctrines.

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  "would you drink a glass of water if it had just a tiny bit of poison in it?"

  That would basically be the definition of homeopathy. So, no.
  
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  AUST: QLD Cairns Post - Tablelands police charge former JW with offences against children

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i believe this has appeared into today's edition of the cairns post print newspaper (saturday 4 february 2017) at the top of page 4 under the headline: "indecent charges for man" - the actual text of the article is apparently the same as the online version below:.

  cairns post - saturday 4 february 2017. tablelands police charge former jehovah’s witness with offences against children.

  an elderly tablelands man and former jehovah’s witness member will appear in court this month amid allegations he molested three young girls from the church more than 25 years ago.

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  gerry:

  This is the elder from Mareeba congregation. I would have a guess that Angus is questioning the elder about this case.

  Very damming if it is the same case as in the lead up to this questioning, Angus is asking the elder how do you protect the congregation from an abuser if he is deemed repentant and no one knows he is an abuser.. check it out.

  The Cairns Post article is not the same as the BCG case. In the case involving BCG, her father was found guilty and imprisoned. Though it was also brought out that the father also abused BCG's sisters, the ages reported in the Cairns Post article do not seem to match their circumstances either. It could be the other case mentioned in the linked video, but it's not entirely clear.
  

  It is quite disturbing to learn of yet another case in that small town.
  
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  the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

  by pleaseresearch in

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  so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

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  Rattigan350:

  JWs are correct about 607 and 1914. Somewhat. The theory behind it is that Jehovah told David that his offspring would sit on Jehovah's throne forever culminating in Jesus. But when Jesus was on earth he didn't become king. Infact at that time, David's offspring were no longer in power on Jehovah's throne. Did Jehovah's statement fail?

  No, it was paused. The kings in the line of David lost power when they became subject to another government. That happened in 607. In 587 Jerusalem was destroyed. 11 years prior, in 598, Zedekiah became king. 11 years and months prior to that in 610, Jehoiakim became king. Daniel said that 3 years after that, 607, captives were taken. Thus 607 is when the kings in the line of David lost sovereignty for 2520 years until 1914 when Jesus became king.

  Nope. Only one person is ever described as being on 'Jehovah's throne' in the 'Old Testament'. Solomon. No one else. Jeremiah 3:14-17 indicates that even during the reign of 'good' king Josiah, rule from Jerusalem was not considered to represent “Jehovah’s throne”, which was only seen as a future event.

  Additionally, not only is the starting year Rattigan has provided for Jehoiakim's reign completely wrong, but his reckoning of Daniel's reference to 'third year' is also wrong, because it fails to take into account the fact that Daniel uses accession-year dating. The reference to Jehoiakim's 'third year' in Daniel in fact refers to Jehoiakim's paying tribute to Nebuchadnezzar in early 604 BCE, which can be verified by comparison with BM 21946. After 3 full years (604, 603 and 602, all starting from Nisan) of paying tribute, he refused, in early 600 BCE (before Nisan, meaning 601 was not a full year of paying tribute), which can also be verified from 2 Kings 24:1 and BM 21946.