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  How Often is 1914 Openly Spoken of at the Meetings?

  by Number 6 in

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  2. beliefs

  as someone who left in 1991 aged 21, one of my overriding memories of growing up in the watchtower was being able to "prove" the end times by referencing 1914.. major change in 95 then again after that.

  if i'm being honest i could not even tell you now what the current teaching is.. for those who still attend the meetings, is it still openly spoken about?

  i genuinely curious as i wonder if the teaching will be altogher dropped eventually, and one of the easiest ways to achieve that is to stop speaking about it.

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  Jeffro

  They can’t maintain their beliefs about 1919 without retaining 1914 so they’re a bit stuck. It really is pathetic.

  But they likely rarely mention it, and they are much less likely to mention October 1914 because the war has already started and something was supposed to happen suddenly in or after October (and Russell didn’t say anything at all about ‘Satan being thrown to earth’ because he believed the ‘dragon’ referred to pagan nations.)

  Apart from the vague notion about the ‘end of the gentle times’ (an Adventist teaching), nothing that Jehovah’s Witnesses now believe about 1914 was taught by C T Russell or even when they were supposedly ‘selected’ in 1919.
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  New JW article - Help children deal with disturbing news reports

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower has the audacity to think it is some authority on the matter of telling parents how to deal with news reports that may disturb them, when for decades it has been promoting a horrific destruction of 99% of people currently living on earth, including detailed pictures in their own 'news reports'.. why would people print disturbing news reports?

  one reason that they provide specifically relates to themselves as well.

  children may have trouble putting the news in perspective.

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  'Don't worry, Billy. God will kill them all soon anyway.'
  
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  November WT study article

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in one of the study articles from the november 2020 edition, is mentioned (free quotation):.

  "don"t get disturbed if your kingdom hall will be sold".

  food on the right time, i asume?.

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  joe134cd

  Slim I think the mags are compiled some months in advance before they are produced

  JW members receive the magazines a few months before the stated issue date, and the articles are compiled a few months before that. So as far as reporting current events, it isn't really the well-oiled machine of efficiency they would have everyone believe. In addition to that, the Watch Tower Society in recent decades seems to have deliberately avoided making statements about immediately current events, instead waiting to see how they can spin them.
  
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  Another Doctrinal Flip-Flop As Of Oct 2019 - RE: Locusts In Joel 2

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it's seems that even the revised edition of the book revelation: it's grand climax a hand was wrong again.. in the 2019 agm david splane "clarified our understanding of the prophecy recorded in joel 2".

  clarified?

  you mean he done a 180 reversal.. from revelation: it's grand climax a hand page 143, para.

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  According to The Finished Mystery (aka Studies in the Scriptures, volume VII) the 'locusts' were Methodists, starting with John Wesley in 1728. Of course, there's no mention of that in any modern Watch Tower Society literature at all.
  
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  How do JWs view the Ransom?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  looking for a simple explanation of the ransom from a jws perspective..

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  Jeffro

  Jehovah's Witnesses view the 'ransom' as essential and also demonic.

  The Watchtower, 15 November 2014, page 12:
  

  The only way any of us can have peace with God is to have faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice and appreciate that blood has special meaning to our Creator.
  

  The Watchtower, 1 April 2007, page 19:
  

  Human sacrifice in any form is demonic, and true worshippers of God stay away from anything that is connected with such a practice.
  

  
  
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  Was It Designed? (My head hurts)

  by Cadellin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know i shouldn't--i tell myself this over and over--but i can't help peeking at these silly articles.

  and then i see this and my head really starts hurting: so the gannet, if you don't know (and why would you?

  ) is a seabird that feeds on fish.

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  For every individual species that JWs claim has some remarkably 'designed' feature or behaviour, they increase the required population of the 'ark'. This is particularly evident when they argue that some very specific species has a unique feature necessitating that each species is not merely part of a poorly defined 'kind'. (For example, see Awake! No. 1, 2017, p. 16.)
  
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  My old Congregation is now a book study group of old people!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i was in a yugoslav ethnic congregation of about 200 people in australia we had alot of refugee witnesses come in from the balkans war.

  in the late 1990's we were thriving!

  today the young ones have all left "the truth.

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  Maybe they can start calling the ethnic language groups separate ‘lands’.
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  Babylon has fallen...

  by mikeflood in

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  2. current

  could you guys believe this über borg 'friend' ?.

  he says that babylon has fallen because all of the coronavirus restrictions (and the resultant less revenue) are gonna destroy them symbolically.

  so he thinks this are the last, of the last, of the last days.

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  mikeflood:

  He says that Babylon has fallen because all of the coronavirus restrictions (and the resultant less revenue) are gonna destroy them symbolically. So he thinks this are the last, of the last, of the last days. Urged me to check the on-line conventions. Thoughts?

  Ha ha... See my comment from four months ago... https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5738470961053696/oz-starting-shut-down#5659416618598400

  Seems he may be 'running ahead' though.
  
  
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  When did WT lose the spirit?

  by Smiles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at what time would you say that the watch tower schema lost the spirit?.

  like the ancient nation of israel which struggled maintaining divine blessing due to a long series of grave errors that eventually culminated in definitive loss... how and when did watch tower lose the spirit?.

  can we pinpoint a time or event?.

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  Jeffro

  Smiles:

  Please do not reply with 'JWs never had the spirit'

  Why on earth not? Your fallacy: begging the question.
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  Australian Royal Commission’s “BCG” is told “Screw You” from an exJW

  by Las Malvinas son Argentinas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  csa victims need our support, not vindictiveness.

  in that vein, lord farquaad has these kind words for shelly, aka “bcg”.

  false dilemma logical fallacy.

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  Jeffro

  Las Malvinas son Argentinas

  Using the same logic, how do we even know they were referring to Evans?

  Indeed, Evans' own response was conditional: "If you include me in this vague rebuke...", though because there was purportedly some related dispute between the same parties on Reddit, his assumption would be more warranted than yours. It does seem to be the direct references to YouTube and Patreon that raised his ire in the little Twitter spat (Twitter being the highly collegiate platform that it is ). He could have made his response more clear and that is a matter for him, but his ambiguity doesn't justify you pouring fuel on the fire.