Posts by Jeffro

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Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible

by TruthMatters in

it just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.

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Jeffro

You mean there were Christians who had never heard of God’s power? 😂

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Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible

by TruthMatters in

it just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.

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Jeffro

Haha... so what's the holy spirit again? Just the application of God's power?

Acts 19:2:

and said to them: “Did you receive holy spirit when you became believers?” They replied to him: “Why, we have never heard that there is a holy spirit.”

2 Corinthians 6:6, 7:

by purity, by knowledge, by patience, by kindness, by holy spirit, by love free from hypocrisy, 7 by truthful speech, by God’s power; through the weapons of righteousness in the right hand and in the left,

Oops. Let the word-mincing begin. 🤣

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

Rattigan350:

Jehoikim was king for 11 years starting around610. ... The 3rd year of Jehoiakim was 607 That started the 70 years of captivity that ended in 537.

Not quite. 2 Kings 23:36 gives Jehoiakim's reign as 11 years (counting his accession year), and we know his last year was 598 BCE. So his 3rd year using Nisan-based dating (not counting his accession year per the Babylonian and subsequent custom) was 605 BCE (up until early 604 BCE prior to Nisan), which is when Nebuchadnezzar returned to the area to demand tribute after he claimed the throne.

The 70 years (of nations serving Babylon, not Jewish exile) ran from Babylon's conquest of Assyria in 609 BCE (conquest of Haran following the earlier conquest of Nineveh in 612) until Cyrus' conquest of Babylon in 539 BCE.

The Jews returned in 538 BCE, not 537. This was during the first year of Cyrus with temple construction beginning in 537, as confirmed by Josephus.

And that would end in 1914 when Jesus would be sovereign king on Jehovah's throne in heavenly Jerusalem.

Entirely wrong. 1914 is based on superstitious nonsense and nothing more (and the fact that something was 'supposed' to happen suddenly in or after October of 1914 is generally ignored by JWs and they just focus on the fact that 'something' significant happened in that year). The context of Luke 21:24 refers to a period that had not started in Jesus' time, and the duration of the 'appointed times of the nations' (when Jerusalem was 'trampled') is identified in Revelation as 3.5 times, 42 months and 1260 days, all being 3.5 years, and refers to the period from the Roman response to the Jewish revolt in 66 CE culminating in Jerusalem's destruction in 70 CE.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

scholar:

Does this comment indicate your skill in linguistics and in Hebrew and Greek?

😂 Actually, the order of the chapters of Jeremiah in the Greek Septuagint (with the proclamations against individual nations inserted between the first and second halves of what we call chapter 25) makes it even more clear that the 70 years applied to all the surrounding nations serving Babylon and definitely not just ‘Jewish exile’.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

scholar:

You misread me for I have never said that you have copied another's work but have been heavily influenced by the work of others and fallen under their spell

You said ‘rehash’ but regardless of the semantics, you’re still wrong. I researched the subject from scratch using only the Bible and comparison with JW literature and then comparison with encyclopaedias and ancient historians. Even once I heard about COJ I delayed reading his work to maintain an independent analysis.

and as I was part of that long-running controversy on this forum over many years there can be no doubt that I have contributed to your obsession with JW Chronology.

Don’t flatter yourself. At best, your role in this is a comic foil demonstrating the irrationality of the opposing view for me to respond for the benefit of other readers.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

scholar:

Jesus made that statement

There is no way of proving that claim.

the Witnesses worldwide have been are being persecuted for their faith. As a matter of fact.

Lots of people and groups are persecuted around the world for their religious beliefs. Singling out persecution of members of your preferred group as some indication of 'approval by Jesus' is entirely irrational.

Hardly. I have never been threatened win discussions of Chronology as it is simply 'grist to the mill' with no hint of being intimidated. The only information you provide is a rehash of COJ, some pretty charts with no original ideas or research merely limping on the back of scholar who most likely because of his posts on this forum decades ago introduced you to this subject of Chronology. If it were not for scholar your scribblings would not exist.

There you go again claiming I've copied someone else's work, dismissing my work as 'pretty charts' without research, all signs confirming that you feel threatened. You then try to claim credit by imagining that I've provided information merely as a result of your posts, which is also wrong (I would give some credit to former posters on here like AnnOMaly, Leolaia and Alan Feuerbacher for encouraging deeper research though). In fact, I wasn't even aware of this forum when I first posted information online (some of which was copied by JWFacts) - you can readily verify the year 2004 in the footer of my timeline and my first post on this forum in 2005. So yet again, you are shown to be wrong. 🤣

The fact remains that JW chronology is objectively incorrect.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

scholar:

Did not Jesus say that his disciples would be persecuted so it cannot be a complex? People respond to our teachings including our wondrous Chronology because they believe these to be true and correct.

This is just the kind of fallacious 'reasoning' I was referring to when I said that believing JW chronology also makes people susceptible to other irrational thinking. Aside from the fact that there is no way to confirm any statement attributed to Jesus decades after his death, members of any Christian denomination could make the same claim in the face of any opposition.

Hardly so because both of us are obsessed with Chronology.

Your own obsession with JW chronology, always on the back foot with unconvincing apologetics, also suggests you feel threatened. On the other hand, I simply provide people with information objectively refuting JW chronology in a free and accessible format. Unlike you, I fear neither refutation nor superstitious end-times scenarios for deviating from any particular view.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

Scholar:

We must be doing something right because so many websites have been developed with many scholarships in order to refute our Chronology which like your good self amounts to an obsession. Perhaps many people detect a 'ring of truth'.

People respond to JW chronology (and other JW-related issues) because JW beliefs are incorrect and result in harm, not because you’re ‘doing something right’ - that’s just your persecution complex.

It doesn’t actually take that much of my time but the fact that you think it’s an obsession suggests you feel threatened.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

Hahaha 🤣 JW chronology is well and truly refuted. I provide information for people who have been subject to JW propaganda whose access to other information is often limited. In the broader community, JW chronology is an irrelevance and is not considered remotely plausible by any independent historian or scholar.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

scholar:

Well, cancer and its cure are both objects of research providing a cure and other benefits as with Bible Chronology whatever its source

In your analogy, people who endorse JW chronology are more like anti-vaxxers.

Accepting JW chronology in the face of evidence to the contrary is not only detrimental in itself but also increases propensity for accepting other irrational ideas.