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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  Jeffro

  'scholar':

  You need to this inaccurate history especially to Jehoiakim's 'third year'.

  Seems to be a verb missing there, but let's ignore that for now... Shame on you trying to confuse Vidqun when you should know very well that Jehoiakim's 'third year' as referenced by Daniel uses Nisan/accession dating and refers to the year that began in Nisan 605 BCE and specifically to events in early 604 BCE, as opposed to Jeremiah's reference to his fourth year using Tishri/non-accession dating.

  More detail here.
  
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  150

  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  Jeffro

  scholar:

  also our facts are well presented in your pretty chart on JW Chronology which proves that we rely on all of the facts and nothing but the facts for we are a people of facts so to speak.

  🤣
  

  My chart of the flawed JW chronology certainly highlights many of the faults with JW dogma. An updated version will be posted next month (no revelations, just some minor layout changes). It's always best to check the site for the current version as old links won't work.
  
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  Vaccine Deaths

  by Sea Breeze in

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  it is reported that in the usa, 30 people are dying per day after receiving the corona vaccine.

  anyone else hear about this?

  - article.

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  Jeffro

  LV101

  There's no transparency re/the actual death rate from the vaccine.

  For argument's sake, lets generously pretend the death rate from the vaccine is 1000 times higher than reported. Even if that were the case, it would still be lower than the death rate for COVID-19.
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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  Jeffro

  'scholar', you're just going round in circles with the same claims, so no extended response is required. Your claims that actual scholars support the JW view of the exile are entirely dishonest, and your use of the term "exilic scholars" as a qualifier is not particularly helpful. (A Google search for "exilic scholars" and "70 years" together yields only two results; one is a scam and the other is a JW-related forum comment by you. Changing "70 years" to "seventy years" yields 6 results, being either of similar 'quality' or otherwise not supportive of your views.) You know very well that actual scholars view the exile from early 597 BCE and the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 BCE, and secular historians do not conflate Babylon's 70 years with the exile (and nor do Ezekiel or Jeremiah). Jeremiah explicitly states that Babylon's 70 years end and then Babylon is called to account, and Daniel explicitly indicates Babylon being called to account in the agreed year of 539 BCE. Jeremiah further explicitly states that attention is given to the Jews' return from exile after the 70 years had ended. There is simply no getting away from the fact that the 70 years ended in 539 BCE and are therefore not the same as the period of exile.
  
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  Vaccine Deaths

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. social
  2. current

  it is reported that in the usa, 30 people are dying per day after receiving the corona vaccine.

  anyone else hear about this?

  - article.

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  Jeffro

  US death rate from coronavirus is about 2% compared to 0.0017% for the vaccine. But sure, you educate us all about how the vaccine is the problem. (It’s interesting that the anti-vaxxers are happy to count any incidental death after a vaccination as ‘caused by the vaccine’, but make the opposite claim about statistics for coronavirus deaths.)
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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  Jeffro

  Vidqun:

  Jeffro, my argument, and that many others, is that Biblical chronology and secular chronology correspond. Why would Babylonian scribes or the scribes after them falsify the tablets?

  Sorry if I was unclear. Neo-Babylonian records agree completely with the Bible for the period in question. It is only the JW chronology that inserts 20 years into the Neo-Babylonian period. But JWs shift back all the events of Nebuchadnezzar's reign, not just the destruction of Jerusalem (and they also distort the order of events during Nebuchadnezzar's first 7 years, and place the stories in Daniel* in the wrong years).
  * Daniel wasn't an actual historical figure, but the periods given in the stories are compatible with the Neo-Babylonian period.
  
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  Vaccine Deaths

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. social
  2. current

  it is reported that in the usa, 30 people are dying per day after receiving the corona vaccine.

  anyone else hear about this?

  - article.

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  Jeffro

  DATA-DOG:

  You need to catch up.

  You're right. As of 7 June, the proportion of deaths following (but not necessarily caused by) the COVID-19 vaccine in the United States is actually 0.0017%. So a woman is now 10 times more likely to die during childbirth in that country. Thanks.
  
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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  Jeffro

  Fadeaway1962:

  Are we still talking about Solomon's temple of which there is little or no evidence of its existence and the two individuals David and Solomon of whom like the temple there is little or no historical evidence outside the Bible of there existence.

  Indeed. Jerusalem was little more than a tribal city-state at ‘Solomon’s’ time. Aside from the fact that the biblical proportions given for Solomon’s temple are physically impossible, the temple that was destroyed by the Babylonians was more likely built during Josiah’s reign.
  
  
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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  Jeffro

  Vidqun:

  Jehoiakim, son of Josiah, was king of Judah (Dan. 1:1). Zedekiah was the last king. How likely is it that Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem in 607 BCE, before his victory over the Egyptians in 605 BCE? He wasn’t even king yet. His father died in 605 BCE.

  Your assessment of the early Neo-Babylonian period is correct, but JWs insert 20 years into the Neo-Babylonian period after Nebuchadnezzar’s reign, pushing back the years assigned to his reign. So it’s not as simple as querying Nebuchadnezzar’s conquest of Jerusalem ‘before’ his victory at Carchemish. What we, and all of scholarship for the period, know was 605 BCE, historical revisionists like ‘scholar’ and other JWs call 625 BCE.

  The Watch Tower Society vacillates between ignoring the problem - not attempting to defend 607 for decades - and occasional dishonest attempts to defend their view (like in 1981 when they said VAT 4956 was defective and unreliable, or 2011 when they said VAT 4956 completely supports their view). The fact is that the JW position is indefensible, so after JW apologists’ paltry attempts (such as their easily refuted claims about VAT 4956) at justifying their doctrine fail, they just fall back to the unbiblical mantra of ‘70 years of exile’. They don’t really care about the actual facts because of the powerful delusion connected to their end-times beliefs.
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  Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anybody know something about vat 4956?.

  nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

  any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

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  Jeffro

  scholar:

  The simple fact of the matter is that there was a Jewish Exile of 70 years duration

  Entirely false, and unsupported by the Bible despite your claims to respect it as a source. The Bible indicates Babylon’s dominance of 70 years which definitely ended in 539 BCE, which therefore began in 609 BCE, which is when Babylon conquered Assyria and became the ‘world power’. The Bible further indicates that most of the Jews were exiled 11 years prior to Jerusalem’s destruction and others were exiled 5 years later, and that some Jews returned to rebuild the temple in 538 BCE. According to the Bible, most of the Jews were in exile for 59 years, some were in exile for 49 years, and others were in exile for 44 years. The Bible DOES NOT MENTION ‘70 years of exile’, for which I have provided biblical support at links already provided. But feel free to provide evidence to the contrary instead of just making assertions. 🤣