Posts by Jeffro

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

Anony Mous:

They have already paused the J&J vaccine due to confirmed fatalities and many countries are now stopping administration or considering stopping it due to the risk. Do you believe that the medical professionals were wrong? Why don’t you believe the scientists? Do you think we should administer vaccines to people even when the chance of death is higher from vaccination than receiving covid?

Different vaccines introduce different components of a virus, and the immune system reacts to those components (or in the case of mRNA vaccines, an element that allows RNA in cells to construct a similar protein, with the same result), and then recognise those in the actual virus if infected later. Vaccines that contain elements that cause severe reactions in a significant number of people should indeed be discontinued. But (aside from allergies to the vaccine medium) they are still effects that would also be experienced if the people got COVID. It’s not a matter of the professionals being wrong, it is a matter of identifying viral markers that are sufficiently similar for the immune system to recognise the actual virus, but without a severe reaction. Some companies inadvertently used elements that cause severe reactions in a small proportion of people. I’d like to see your attempt at making a vaccine. I suppose we could do it your way and have no vaccines at all, and just let millions of people die instead.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

Anony Mous:

Once again, the VAERS database collects information that medical professionals believe to be potentially related to the safety of the vaccines.

Wrong. Anyone can submit reports to VAERS, and the website very clearly states that. It’s also very unlikely it had an exact round figure of 12000 (that only you saw). And VAERS explicitly says its data is not indicative of effects caused by vaccines; rather, it contains effects that were reported after vaccination. It’s very difficult to believe anything you say about the VAERS database. (The only place I could find mention of 12000 deaths with reference to VAERS was a conspiracy nutter YouTube video,) But even if none of that were true, it still would not be ‘intellectually dishonest’ of me to not just accept your unfounded assertion that they secretly changed the data.

Last year you claimed to “believe all doctors when they say to wear a mask”

No, despite your ‘very convincing’ quotation marks, that is not phrasing I would ever use.

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My JW uncle said a bad word!

by pistolpete in

yep, i never heard him use profanity------ever.. a couple of us were invited to lunch, which in my case never happened before covid because i never got baptized.. but now i’m being invited by most of my jw family to family cookouts.

and we never talk about kingdom stuff.

they always ask questions about politics.

Jeffro

Sea Breeze:

Recent studies estimate the total number of living and extinct kinds of land animals and flying creatures to be about 1,500. With our “worst-case” scenario approach to calculating the number of animals on the Ark, this would mean that Noah cared for approximately 7,000 animals.

Hahaha that’s hilarious. “Recent studies”… about ‘kinds’… And a link to… ‘Ark Encounter’! 😂

Funny stuff! … um … I hope you weren’t actually serious. 😕

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

ThomasCovenant:

Could you link to the exact place in the 'vaccine adverse effects database' that says that?

Yes, I’d be interested to see where he’s getting his made up data too. The current VAERS data as of now says 6127 deaths following a COVID vaccine (plus 1 death of pet). And obviously VAERS doesn’t say anywhere that all of those deaths were caused by vaccines, since the site clearly says over and over that the records do not indicate cause.

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'covid isnt real'

by joey jojo in

im not here to start a debate.. ive heard the above expression countless time over the past year and a half and genuinely want to know what it means.. if you feel this way, do you mean :.

a. there is no covid19 virus?.

b. covid19 is real but not a threat of any kind?.

Jeffro

Anony Mous:

The best states in regards COVID cases are still red states with better access to healthcare, vaccines and fewer lockdowns.

Um… what colour is Florida?

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

Anony Mous:

The vaccine adverse effects database currently says 10,000 have died from the vaccine.

VAERS says that as of 19 July 2021, 6027 people have died following a COVID vaccine. The VAERS site states that “It is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event” and the CDC says “Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.” Now, I suppose you can say that they can’t be trusted, but then there’s no point citing data from VAERS anyway.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

Anony Mous:

The John Hopkins covid risk calculator says I have a 0.8 in a million chance of dying from the virus. The vaccine adverse effects database currently says 10,000 have died from the vaccine. If 2/3 of the country has the shots, and there are 330 million people in the country, then that works out to 45 deaths per million. So I would be an idiot to get the shot.

As far as statistical comparisons goes, this is gibberish. First, an assessment of individual risk factors can’t validly be compared with a simple proportion across the entire vaccinated population. Second, VAERS indicates deaths that occurred after vaccination, not ‘caused by the vaccine’ (post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy). Third, about 162 million people in the US have been fully vaccinated giving a mortality rate of about 0.0062% (if we grant the false claim that 10,000 deaths after the vaccine are all caused by the vaccine), so it’s not clear where you’re getting ‘2/3 of 330 million’ or ‘45 deaths per million’ from, and the proportion doesn’t change as the number of people vaccinated increases (absent other demographic changes). Fourth, the majority of the 0.0062% are those in high-risk groups, which you have indicated that you are not in. Fifth, the people in the high-risk groups for the vaccine (excluding allergies to the medium) are at even higher risk of dying from the virus. Sixth, only the most at-risk people getting vaccinated would not establish ‘herd immunity’.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

Haha. I could say the sky is blue, and some anonymous troll would still ‘bravely’ put a ‘dislike’ on the comment.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

Anony Mous:

The overall death rate from COVID is 0.07%

It’s not clear what your source is for this wildly inaccurate assertion. Anyway, due to the nature of how vaccines work, reactions caused by a vaccine (other than allergic reactions to the medium) are generally a much milder form of how the individual would react to the virus (for example, blood clots and heart conditions that may affect long term health have been observed in COVID-19 patients), so if someone were to experience one of the more severe conditions you’ve suggested as a result of the vaccine, they would be highly likely to have a greater risk of such a condition if they were to contract COVID-19. So your objection to the vaccine still falls flat. As previously stated, individuals should consult their own doctor regarding possible risks relating to their own personal or family medical history.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

Anony Mous:

I will also note your intellectually dishonest quote of the statistics.

This was funny too. You falsely claim that my accurate juxtaposition (for humorous purposes) of comparable statistics of death rates was ‘intellectually dishonest’, then you go on to compare deaths from COVID in people under 18 with heart conditions in young people of unspecified age that occurred after (but not necessarily in all cases caused by) vaccination.

In case it’s not obvious, individuals should talk to their doctor about which vaccine is best for them or if they should not be vaccinated due to relevant risks.