Posts by Jeffro

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

Anony Mous:

you are implying I lied about the 12000 reports and the Biden admin shaving off 6000 overnight

Not necessarily. As I suggested previously, you (or a source you're obliquely referencing) could have just inadvertently used incorrect search criteria. Probably can't classify the claim that 'Biden admin shaving off 6000' as anything other than a lie, since you couldn't possibly know whether it was the CDC or a higher government level that changed that data (if at all), though it could be someone else's lie that you're just parroting. It's also possible that there was a database error at the source that was corrected - for example, the 12,313 figure is suspiciously close to doubling the number reported on 19 July and then adding new reports between 19-21 July.

This was relatively well reported in news outlets

For example??? You haven't provided any source for these claims.

As of 2:30 PM CT on July 21, 2021, the CDC's website modified the number of VAERS reports related to COVID-19 vaccination deaths from 12,313 to 6,079

Is that a quote from somewhere?? Where?

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

minimus:

I haven’t lied

You lied when you misrepresented what I said, and then you lied about who I supposedly think misrepresents me. Ad hominem nonsense is par for the course on this forum though.

Back on topic, to summarise:

Focus hasn't been on the flu because COVID has been more serious, and measures for preventing COVID are more effective at preventing flu
Though fewer people have gotten the flu due to those measures, some people have still gotten the flu, and separate flu vaccines exist

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

minimus:

Everyone seems to misrepresent you.

In this thread, just you and Anony Mous (though up to this point, you're the only one I had specifically called out as misrepresenting my position on something). But if you want to lie to try to get others on side, that’s up to you.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

minimus:

Having said that, last year when the “flu season “ was supposed to be around, no one talked about having the flu. It was all about Covid. If you can’t accept that, there’s not much more to add.

Ah, well, if people were discussing a more impactful event more than a less notable one, that’s pretty much case closed. My mistake. 🤦‍♂️

It seems that anything you see that disagrees with your thinking is junk.

So you agree with the specific Israeli pseudoscience that I called “junk”, or you’re just misrepresenting what I said (again)?

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

Haha. You seek out the most fringe nonsense you can find, and then get unnecessarily concerned about it! Why do that to yourself?!

“bestnewshere”… yeah, sounds totally legit. 🤦‍♂️

I'm just throwing the info out there regardless whether it goes against your belief system

😂 it’s junk pseudoscience, irrespective of anyone’s “belief system”. Using that term in reference to actual scientific consensus sounds like you’re projecting.

Just to be clear, this nonsense goes far beyond the misleading claims Anony Mous is peddling.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

LV101:

Here's something to check out: Pfizer/BioNTech Covid Vaccines "Destroy Every System of the Human Body" warns Israeli healthy experts

Obviously false given the number of people in Australia who have received the Pfizer vaccine.

But how about a source anyway? A cursory search for this claim reveals conspiracy nutter websites. Got something peer reviewed?

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

minimus:

Anyway, nobody hardly is saying they got the flu or a cold.

Already answered. But basically, it's not currently flu season in the US, and last flu season, there were still hundreds of cases of flu reported per month, despite distancing measures in place due to COVID. Flu vaccines are also available (maybe not yet in the US until the flu season starts, but they were readily available in Australia from March onwards), independent of the COVID vaccine. If measures are in place to reduce the spread of a more infectious virus, it is to be expected that you would also see fewer cases of a less infectious virus spread by similar means.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

Previously I said:

Medical professionals investigate the reactions reported in VAERS, but they aren’t the ones who report the reactions to VAERS

On reviewing the VAERS website, this should say they are not the only ones who report. It remains the case that anyone can report to VAERS. Also, it is not mandatory to provide names, addresses, practitioner details, or proof of death or other condition on the form, so it is completely open to false reporting, for example, if someone has a political agenda or conspiracy theory.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

Anony Mous:

At the time I wrote that, the tally was 12,000 people in the database. Suddenly the Biden admin dropped 6000 cases from its databases.

Yeah. Of course they did. 🤦‍♂️ It suddenly spiked just in time for you to see the increase and then suddenly went back down to around where it was. I don’t suppose you took a screenshot? Or maybe an article citing the change?

And I assume you have evidence that it was ‘the Biden admin’ and not just staff at the CDC who ‘changed’ the figures.

And of course we can completely discount the notion of you just using wrong search criteria. Perish the thought.

Medical professionals investigate the reactions reported in VAERS, but they aren’t the ones who report the reactions to VAERS (except possibly in their capacity as regular citizens), nor do they leap to the assumption that every reported effect is caused by a vaccine (but also refer to previous post about how vaccines work.) Anyone can report reactions to VAERS (and about 1600 of the reported deaths don’t specify a state).

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Jeffro

Anony Mous:

They have already paused the J&J vaccine due to confirmed fatalities and many countries are now stopping administration or considering stopping it due to the risk. Do you believe that the medical professionals were wrong? Why don’t you believe the scientists? Do you think we should administer vaccines to people even when the chance of death is higher from vaccination than receiving covid?

Different vaccines introduce different components of a virus, and the immune system reacts to those components (or in the case of mRNA vaccines, an element that allows RNA in cells to construct a similar protein, with the same result), and then recognise those in the actual virus if infected later. Vaccines that contain elements that cause severe reactions in a significant number of people should indeed be discontinued. But (aside from allergies to the vaccine medium) they are still effects that would also be experienced if the people got COVID. It’s not a matter of the professionals being wrong, it is a matter of identifying viral markers that are sufficiently similar for the immune system to recognise the actual virus, but without a severe reaction. Some companies inadvertently used elements that cause severe reactions in a small proportion of people. I’d like to see your attempt at making a vaccine. I suppose we could do it your way and have no vaccines at all, and just let millions of people die instead.