They were only ever Seleucid and Ptolemaic kings up until Antiochus Epiphanes IV. The alternative views about them are Adventist nonsense. The JW view originated from the Adventist view (having Adventist origins themselves), and their recent rejection of Zenobia as one of the ‘kings’ has brought them back in line even more with the 7th day Adventist interpretation.
Posts by Jeffro
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17The King of the North and the South, who are they now?
by Anony Mous ini know several wit-lesses that to date are researching these topics.. however i haven't heard much from any publications recently about it, i think the latest refresh was ~10 years ago.
since then the power of the us has severely diminished (or at least the rhetorics about it has), russia is a small potato in modern era, the eu is a cowardly dog in the eyes of everyone and we have the rise of china which is as far as military might is concerned, a paper tiger.. we also have the rise of islam, especially since the end of the nato nation-building effort in afghanistan which is now in power in most of the middle east and africa, as well as regions of asia and growing strong in europe.. does anyone have noooo light about these developments.
is islam the king of the south?
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I'm now turned off by this site
by purrpurr inin one form or another i've been a member of this site for almost 10 years.
in the past this was a great place for debate, news and support for ex jws.
i logged on several times a day and posted several times a week.
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Jeffro
The main problem isn’t that there is a majority of right wing views expressed. The main problem is the lies and misrepresentations that get leveled against anyone who points out any flaws with those views.
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Please how do someone become an Anointed Christian in Watchtower Organization.
by bola inplease how do someone become an anointed christian in watchtower organization.
i informed my elders in my congo that i am an anointed christian..
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Jeffro
Rattigan350:
Being anointed means one is anointed by the holy spirit.
There’s no reason to believe that any part of that statement, even setting aside the pointless circular reference, has any basis in reality.
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Please how do someone become an Anointed Christian in Watchtower Organization.
by bola inplease how do someone become an anointed christian in watchtower organization.
i informed my elders in my congo that i am an anointed christian..
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bola:
I want to partake of the emblems at the Memorial next year. Should I partake of it?
It’s a superstitious ritual, and you don’t seem to meet the standards of what JWs would generally consider to be one of the ‘anointed’. It won’t give you any authority or respect in the congregation or the broader organisation, and congregation members may call into question your mental state. But do whatever makes you feel happy I guess.
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Please how do someone become an Anointed Christian in Watchtower Organization.
by bola inplease how do someone become an anointed christian in watchtower organization.
i informed my elders in my congo that i am an anointed christian..
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Jeffro
Nathan Natas:
How is it that after all this time as a baptized JW, you do not know the answer to this most basic question?
He may well be a fraud, or this could be what the ‘wonderful growth’ of JWs is like in parts of Africa. Lower standards to grow the membership?
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Please how do someone become an Anointed Christian in Watchtower Organization.
by bola inplease how do someone become an anointed christian in watchtower organization.
i informed my elders in my congo that i am an anointed christian..
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Jeffro
You know you’re on shaky ground when even the organisation promoting the belief in being ‘anointed’ says such a claim may be a result of emotional problems or mental imbalance.
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Please how do someone become an Anointed Christian in Watchtower Organization.
by bola inplease how do someone become an anointed christian in watchtower organization.
i informed my elders in my congo that i am an anointed christian..
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Jeffro
Since there is no rational basis for anyone claiming they are anointed, you just indicate that you profess to be anointed by eating the bread and drinking the wine at the memorial, but you should already know that if you are a JW in good standing. If you are a new member, you will probably get a stern word from the elders afterwards. Even if you are in good standing, people in your congregation probably won’t believe you are anointed, since they are told that claiming to be anointed could be a result of emotional problems or mental imbalance, and only the ‘governing body’ and other high-ranking corporate members are ever definitively recognised as ‘anointed’. Claiming to be anointed will not give you any authority in the organisation.
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COVID not found
by Anna Marina inalberta has just lifted all covid restrictions because they can't find any samples to prove it even exists.. https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/alberta-lifts-all-covid-restrictions-because-they-cant-produce-an-isolated-sample-of-sars-cov-2-to-prove-covid-exists-to-back-their-mandates/.
german paper bild apologises for pushing covid lockdowns and damaging society.. https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-30-german-newspaper-apologizes-covid-lockdown-hysteria-society.html.
wonder if the day will come when wt admits it lied?
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Jeffro
Oh great, another person spreading misinformation. Of the very, very small proportion of people who develop blood clots following the AstraZeneca vaccine (which happens because the virus component in that vaccine could also trigger blood clots in those people if they got COVID), it generally happens a short time after being vaccinated, and pilots aren’t going to be jumping into a plane straight after vaccination. -
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What kind of literary device is this?
by EdenOne ini know there's a name for this technique but i need a name, nonetheless.. if i say to my audience: apostates are horrible, satanic, dirty, sinners, mentally diseased etc ... all hateful traits.
and then i say: person a is an apostate.
then my audience will associate all the traits previously associated with "apostate" with person a. but i can say: i never said person a was horrible, satanic, dirty, mentally diseased etc.
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BluesBrother
Noticeably, the WTS denigrates ex members, so called apostates, but never answers our legitimate concerns. I guess they can’t.
Trying to respond to objections draws too much attention to them. But see also Streisand Effect.
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What kind of literary device is this?
by EdenOne ini know there's a name for this technique but i need a name, nonetheless.. if i say to my audience: apostates are horrible, satanic, dirty, sinners, mentally diseased etc ... all hateful traits.
and then i say: person a is an apostate.
then my audience will associate all the traits previously associated with "apostate" with person a. but i can say: i never said person a was horrible, satanic, dirty, mentally diseased etc.
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Jeffro
The premises given in the original post are:
Premise 1 - All B are C
Premise 2 - A is B
Implied conclusion - (A is C)
As such, the syllogism is logically valid, but either or both premises may be rejected as false.
The specific example given is plainly ad hominem, there are elements of poisoning the well and it is a thought terminating cliche. The term apostate is also being used as a euphemism.
But, if the person goes on to claim that they did not say ‘A is C’, they are stupid, lying or both, because they have contradicted their premises. See also weasel words, non-denial denial, spin.