Posts by Jeffro

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Lloyd Evans keeps doing parts on how the JWs are guilty of follwing the bible.

by mickbobcat in

i have been watching evans videos for a while.

he keeps attacking the cult for following the bible.

women are to be subservient to men.

Jeffro

Some people seem to follow their preferred YouTube channels with a cultish mindset, and complaining about others. Whether it’s Lloyd or Kim and Mikey or various others.

These people provide information that anyone can watch for free. If you like it, watch it. If you don’t, don’t. If you don’t like long videos, just watch the short ones. What’s with all the complaining?

It’s ridiculous to expect that all of a YouTube channel’s views will exactly reflect the opinions of the viewer. And complaining that videos are too long is pointless. If someone has tied you up and forced you to watch a video longer than you want to, that’s a matter for the police. Otherwise, what’s the problem?

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The King of the North and the South, who are they now?

by Anony Mous in

i know several wit-lesses that to date are researching these topics.. however i haven't heard much from any publications recently about it, i think the latest refresh was ~10 years ago.

since then the power of the us has severely diminished (or at least the rhetorics about it has), russia is a small potato in modern era, the eu is a cowardly dog in the eyes of everyone and we have the rise of china which is as far as military might is concerned, a paper tiger.. we also have the rise of islam, especially since the end of the nato nation-building effort in afghanistan which is now in power in most of the middle east and africa, as well as regions of asia and growing strong in europe.. does anyone have noooo light about these developments.

is islam the king of the south?

Jeffro

Rocketman123:

The King of the North in ancient biblical times is relating to the King of Israel and the King of the South was referring to the King of Judah.

No. As used in Daniel, the ‘king of the north’ refers to the (Syrian) Seleucid kings and the ‘king of the south’ refers to the (Egyptian) Ptolemaic kings. The story in Daniel chapter 11 traces those kings from around 333BC to 164BC.

There is no identifiable association to any modern day country accept within imaginative delusions.(via prophecy)

Correct.

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Lloyd Evans keeps doing parts on how the JWs are guilty of follwing the bible.

by mickbobcat in

i have been watching evans videos for a while.

he keeps attacking the cult for following the bible.

women are to be subservient to men.

Jeffro

mickbobcat, on a different thread:

So if you don't like the views people hold and run to read the very views you hate just to whine about those opinions.

Well said.

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The King of the North and the South, who are they now?

by Anony Mous in

i know several wit-lesses that to date are researching these topics.. however i haven't heard much from any publications recently about it, i think the latest refresh was ~10 years ago.

since then the power of the us has severely diminished (or at least the rhetorics about it has), russia is a small potato in modern era, the eu is a cowardly dog in the eyes of everyone and we have the rise of china which is as far as military might is concerned, a paper tiger.. we also have the rise of islam, especially since the end of the nato nation-building effort in afghanistan which is now in power in most of the middle east and africa, as well as regions of asia and growing strong in europe.. does anyone have noooo light about these developments.

is islam the king of the south?

Jeffro

Rattigan350:

It is the same as it has been since the 1950s. Nothing has changed. Russia and USA.

Essentially yes. And on that basis, it’s not hard to see why the Russian government would ban a sect that is not only ostensibly American, but also says USSR/Russia is a biblical ‘beast’ that God will soon destroy (in a totally non-extremist way).

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The King of the North and the South, who are they now?

by Anony Mous in

i know several wit-lesses that to date are researching these topics.. however i haven't heard much from any publications recently about it, i think the latest refresh was ~10 years ago.

since then the power of the us has severely diminished (or at least the rhetorics about it has), russia is a small potato in modern era, the eu is a cowardly dog in the eyes of everyone and we have the rise of china which is as far as military might is concerned, a paper tiger.. we also have the rise of islam, especially since the end of the nato nation-building effort in afghanistan which is now in power in most of the middle east and africa, as well as regions of asia and growing strong in europe.. does anyone have noooo light about these developments.

is islam the king of the south?

Jeffro

For more information about the 'kings of the north and south', see:

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Increase = Jehovah’s Blessing?

by Reservations in

i’ve been trying to find any recent quotes that say the increase in witnesses every year is evidence of jehovah’s blessing on the organisation.. i know the ready made excuse if there is a decrease is “love of greater number will cool off”….

after splanes talk i can feel a significant decrease coming..

Jeffro

Reservations:

But does anyone have any quotes from the organisation recently that says “increase of publishers = Jehovah’s blessing”?

It depends on who you ask...

If you ask the Watch Tower Society, growth is not necessarily evidence of God's blessing.

The Watchtower, 15 September 2005, page 8:

Although numerical increase is not in itself proof of God’s blessing, it does provide evidence that “the hand of Jehovah” is with his people.

On the other hand, if you ask the Watch Tower Society, growth is evidence of God's blessing.

The Watchtower, 15 July 2008, page 5:

This remarkable growth is one evidence of Jehovah’s blessing on the efforts of his people in the house-to-house ministry.

The Watchtower, 15 June 1987, page 18:

Jehovah’s blessing has undoubtedly been abundant, as evidenced by the spiritual and numerical growth of his worshipers.

As for more recent, their growth has barely kept up with population growth in recent years, so don't expect them to boast too much about it. That is, not until they can misrepresent the stats in next year's 'Service Report'.

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The King of the North and the South, who are they now?

by Anony Mous in

i know several wit-lesses that to date are researching these topics.. however i haven't heard much from any publications recently about it, i think the latest refresh was ~10 years ago.

since then the power of the us has severely diminished (or at least the rhetorics about it has), russia is a small potato in modern era, the eu is a cowardly dog in the eyes of everyone and we have the rise of china which is as far as military might is concerned, a paper tiger.. we also have the rise of islam, especially since the end of the nato nation-building effort in afghanistan which is now in power in most of the middle east and africa, as well as regions of asia and growing strong in europe.. does anyone have noooo light about these developments.

is islam the king of the south?

Jeffro

Assigning any modern country to these ‘kings’ is delusional, but the Watch Tower Society’s view is even more detached from reality. Their ‘reasoning’ is that the ‘king of the north’ must be ‘affecting god’s people’, and since there are essentially zero JWs in China anyway, it doesn’t make a good candidate. Russia’s ban of JWs - actually intended as a strong message that American sects won’t be tolerated - feeds right in to the JW persecution complex, hence their knee-jerk identification of that country as the new ‘king’. Even though only a quite small proportion of JWs (less than 1.5% of JWs worldwide and about 0.08% of Russia’s population) are in that country anyway.

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Increase = Jehovah’s Blessing?

by Reservations in

i’ve been trying to find any recent quotes that say the increase in witnesses every year is evidence of jehovah’s blessing on the organisation.. i know the ready made excuse if there is a decrease is “love of greater number will cool off”….

after splanes talk i can feel a significant decrease coming..

Jeffro

Because of the way JWs count membership, even if they only have the same rate of growth that they reported for 2019, this will be reported as about 3.5% growth over last year’s figures. This is owing to the decrease reported for last year prior to formalising their adapted reporting rules in September 2020, allowing them to count 15 minutes writing a letter that will end up in the bin. So don’t be too surprised if there is an ‘increase’.

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The King of the North and the South, who are they now?

by Anony Mous in

i know several wit-lesses that to date are researching these topics.. however i haven't heard much from any publications recently about it, i think the latest refresh was ~10 years ago.

since then the power of the us has severely diminished (or at least the rhetorics about it has), russia is a small potato in modern era, the eu is a cowardly dog in the eyes of everyone and we have the rise of china which is as far as military might is concerned, a paper tiger.. we also have the rise of islam, especially since the end of the nato nation-building effort in afghanistan which is now in power in most of the middle east and africa, as well as regions of asia and growing strong in europe.. does anyone have noooo light about these developments.

is islam the king of the south?

Jeffro

Anony Mous:

However I haven't heard much from any publications recently about it, I think the latest refresh was ~10 years ago.

The ‘king of the north’ was ‘identified’ as Russia at the Watch Tower Society’s 2017 annual meeting, and subsequent Watchtower articles, most notably the May 2020 issue. The supposed role of the ‘king of the north’ in their end times nonsense is also covered in their Pure Worship book (2018), though it does not name Russia.

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The King of the North and the South, who are they now?

by Anony Mous in

i know several wit-lesses that to date are researching these topics.. however i haven't heard much from any publications recently about it, i think the latest refresh was ~10 years ago.

since then the power of the us has severely diminished (or at least the rhetorics about it has), russia is a small potato in modern era, the eu is a cowardly dog in the eyes of everyone and we have the rise of china which is as far as military might is concerned, a paper tiger.. we also have the rise of islam, especially since the end of the nato nation-building effort in afghanistan which is now in power in most of the middle east and africa, as well as regions of asia and growing strong in europe.. does anyone have noooo light about these developments.

is islam the king of the south?

Jeffro

They were only ever Seleucid and Ptolemaic kings up until Antiochus Epiphanes IV. The alternative views about them are Adventist nonsense. The JW view originated from the Adventist view (having Adventist origins themselves), and their recent rejection of Zenobia as one of the ‘kings’ has brought them back in line even more with the 7th day Adventist interpretation.