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  Do you think the big A will come after Russia invades Ukraine?

  by Iamallcool in

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  any takers?

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  Fisherman:

  I don’t think so because the book of Rev actually does speak about the future

  So does Star Trek. It's still not actually a prophecy about the future.
  
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  Do you think the big A will come after Russia invades Ukraine?

  by Iamallcool in

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  a watcher:

  Ukraine has nothing to do with Armageddon.

  Correct.
  

  There are still many prophecies in Revelation that need to be fulfilled before Armageddon comes. I believe Armageddon is at least several years in the future.

  🤦‍♂️No. Revelation was about cryptic references to events that affected early Christians under the Roman empire during the first and early second centuries. Relevance to anything now, or to the future, is exactly zero.
  
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  Entire WT Library online

  by admirmitch in

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  stumbled on this video online.

  looks like the entire wt library is online and available via login access.

  read some comments and presenter was a bethel insider so he had special access.

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  The other publications would also likely be available (internally) as update packages for the Windows-based Watchtower Library application…

  For example, when using the Publications Index on that version, if you click any of the shorthand references to an old publication, it responds by saying that the full name of the publication isn’t available in the library. This indicates that the term is actually linked to the unavailable publication rather than it not being a link at all.
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  Freaky, unsettling, unnerving comment from Losch in his AGM talk

  by FFGhost in

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  did anybody else catch it?.

  he said that people who come back in the earthly resurrection would be given a body "reasonably similar" to the one they had prior to death.. what the almighty hootch?.

  "similar"?.

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  FFGhost:

  He said that people who come back in the earthly resurrection would be given a body "reasonably similar" to the one they had prior to death.

  Maybe ’paradise’ is located in Uncanny Valley.
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  GB Says You Can Fellowship Without Being Reinstated

  by Sea Breeze in

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  there is another way to fellowship with your loved ones after disagreeing with the wt besides getting reinstated.

  all you have to do is fling yourself off a boat and start drowning, says watchtower:.

  "suppose, then, a member of a christian congregation boating on a lake were to see another boat containing a disfellowshiped person capsize, throwing the disfellowshiped one into the water where he struggled to stay afloat.

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  The Watchtower, 15 November 1952, page 703:

  Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship.
  
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  GB Says You Can Fellowship Without Being Reinstated

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is another way to fellowship with your loved ones after disagreeing with the wt besides getting reinstated.

  all you have to do is fling yourself off a boat and start drowning, says watchtower:.

  "suppose, then, a member of a christian congregation boating on a lake were to see another boat containing a disfellowshiped person capsize, throwing the disfellowshiped one into the water where he struggled to stay afloat.

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  "Suppose, then, a member of a Christian congregation boating on a lake were to see another boat containing a disfellowshiped person capsize, throwing the disfellowshiped one into the water where he struggled to stay afloat. Could the Christian ignore that one’s peril, row away and feel free from guilt before God​—inasmuch as the one in danger of drowning was disfellowshiped, viewed as “a man of the nations”? Certainly not. That would be cruel and inhumane."
  

  From the same resplendent article:

  But consider a less extreme situation. What if a woman who had been disfellowshiped were to attend a congregational meeting and upon leaving the hall found that her car, parked nearby, had developed a flat tire? Should the male members of the congregation, seeing her plight, refuse to aid her, perhaps leaving it up to some worldly person to come along and do so? This too would be needlessly unkind and inhumane. Yet situations just like this have developed, perhaps in all good conscience, yet due to a lack of balance in viewpoint.
  

  So if the disfellowshipped (yes, Watch Tower, there's two Ps in that word) woman wants some attention from the congregation's "male members", she can just let her down her tyres rather than resorting to flinging herself off a boat.
  
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  Correct usage referring to the organization?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  which sentences are technically correct.

  1 the watchtower keeps changing its doctrines.. 2. the watch tower keeps changing its doctrines.. 3. the watchtower society keeps changing its doctrines.. 4. watchtower keeps changing its doctrines.. 5. watch tower keeps changing its doctrines.. 6. the society keeps changing its doctrines.. 7. the watchtower organization keeps changing its doctrines.. 8. the watch tower organization keeps changing its doctrines..

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  JeffT:

  Edited to add the significance to lawyers: You have to make sure you're suing the right entity. Put "Watchtower" where it should be "Watch Tower" and you run the risk of having your suit dismissed and doing the paperwork all over again.

  Definitely, and it would not surprise me at all if the ambiguity between "Watch Tower" and "Watchtower" were deliberate for that reason. At the very least, they take advantage of that ambiguity in legal cases. For example, Gerrit Lösch's deposition stating that he has never been a member or employee of "Watchtower".
  
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  Correct usage referring to the organization?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
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  which sentences are technically correct.

  1 the watchtower keeps changing its doctrines.. 2. the watch tower keeps changing its doctrines.. 3. the watchtower society keeps changing its doctrines.. 4. watchtower keeps changing its doctrines.. 5. watch tower keeps changing its doctrines.. 6. the society keeps changing its doctrines.. 7. the watchtower organization keeps changing its doctrines.. 8. the watch tower organization keeps changing its doctrines..

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  JeffT:

  Unless you're a lawyer I don't see that it makes much difference. When speaking or writing in a more informal setting (like this board or a conversation with a non-JW) anything that is clearly understood to mean "the people who write this crap" will do.

  The nature of the original request suggests he wants to write in a more formal setting somewhere else. Getting things correct for formal writing is not restricted only to lawyers.
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  Correct usage referring to the organization?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
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  which sentences are technically correct.

  1 the watchtower keeps changing its doctrines.. 2. the watch tower keeps changing its doctrines.. 3. the watchtower society keeps changing its doctrines.. 4. watchtower keeps changing its doctrines.. 5. watch tower keeps changing its doctrines.. 6. the society keeps changing its doctrines.. 7. the watchtower organization keeps changing its doctrines.. 8. the watch tower organization keeps changing its doctrines..

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  Vanderhoven7:

  Which sentences are technically correct

  1 The Watchtower keeps changing its doctrines.
  

  2. The Watch Tower keeps changing its doctrines.

  3. The Watchtower Society keeps changing its doctrines.

  4. Watchtower keeps changing its doctrines.

  5. Watch Tower keeps changing its doctrines.

  6. The Society keeps changing its doctrines.

  7. The Watchtower organization keeps changing its doctrines.

  8. The Watch Tower organization keeps changing its doctrines.

  Of the options provided, the most accurate option is not listed. The primary corporation is the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society of Pennsylvania. The correct shorthand for that is the Watch Tower Society, therefore your preferred text should be "The Watch Tower Society keeps changing its doctrines".

  1 is either a) the magazine or b) too informal and the wrong corporation
  

  2 is close but informal

  3 is the New York corporation that administers matters specifically for the US (CCoJW is also a subsidiary in the US, with similarly named subsidiaries in some other countries)
  

  4 is too informal and the wrong corporation

  5 is close but informal

  6 is too general, unless it follows recent mention of either "Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society of Pennsylvania" or "Watch Tower Society" and without also mentioning the Watchtower Society, some other Society, or society generally.
  

  7 is informal and the wrong corporation, and the inclusion of "organization" comes across as JW jargon

  8 is informal and has the same issue re "organization" as for 7
  
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  Ripped as Jahova

  by JahDorula in

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  send money.

  please.

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  JahDorula:

  Send money Please

  Wow… not even a ‘tempting offer’ or hard-luck story? 🤦‍♂️ Scammers sure are getting lazy.