Posts by Jeffro

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

'scholar':

Too easy. The structure of the narrative as recorded in the Olivet Discourse shows that the timing of the Great Tribulation is associated with the ;chosen ones' so it would appear that such an activity including that there would be false prophets that would attempt to mislead those same chosen ones would occur not at the beginning of the Parousia but rather towards the end of the Parousia.

Nope. No Bible citations to be found there. You have provided speculative commentary about an interpretation that contradicts the plain reading of the relevant scriptures.

What the Bible does say is that the "false prophets" (for which you are a fine allegory) would be claiming that 'Christ' would appear before the end of the 'tribulation', whereas Jesus is quoted as explicitly saying his 'presence' would be after the tribulation. (Matthew 24:15-31; Mark 13:14-27).

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Each one of the Synoptics show the following pericope that immediately after those events that there would be celestial events accompanying the appearance of the Son of Man which clearly did not occur in the first century with the events at the time of Jerusalem's destruction.

The fact that some things they expected to happen didn’t happen isn’t evidence that it will happen at a later time. They were just wrong.

It’s also amusing that you recognise that the ‘celestial’ signs were supposed to happen after the ‘tribulation’ but ignore the fact that Jesus’ presence is supposed to happen after those ‘signs’.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Your little summaries contain nonsense for such are easily refuted. LOL!!

Thanks for the irrelevant baseless assertion (I wonder if he even realises that something isn't actually refuted just by claiming it can be). Anyway, since you’re so confident, provide scriptural backing for the JW notion that the ‘great tribulation’ occurs after Jesus’ presence begins. Of course this is just one example of the many problems, but it will do for now.

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Date of Adam's "Creation?

by Slidin Fast in

how do jws resolve these conflicting facts.. 1. no matter how you spin it, bible chronology calculates to circa 4000 bc for adam's creation.

i followed the trail many years ago and that's what it adds up to.. 2. the most cursory investigation of any branch of relevant science puts man's habitation on the earth as hugely earlier than that.

it's now so well-proved that anyone disputing it is guilty of wilful ignorance.

Jeffro

Disillusioned JW:

Wouldn't what you said make the flood stories inconsistent with (not compatible with) the facts pertaining to evolution

Yes, it was an elaboration, not a disagreement.

There is strong evidence that a local flood caused by a rise of the Black Sea was the basis for the flood story which from which the flood stories of Genesis derived from.

The fact that local floods occur in various places or that people make up stories about them is entirely mundane. The Genesis flood myth was derived from a Babylonian myth which was itself derived from an earlier Sumerian myth, most likely based on a local flood in Mesopotamia. It is unlikely the original core is from a flood from the Black Sea, but possible and entirely unremarkable that details of a later flood from that area were incorporated into the later story.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

5 days of ‘scholar’ spouting nonsense. But JW teachings about 1914 remain obviously false.

What Does the Bible Really Teach…

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Date of Adam's "Creation?

by Slidin Fast in

how do jws resolve these conflicting facts.. 1. no matter how you spin it, bible chronology calculates to circa 4000 bc for adam's creation.

i followed the trail many years ago and that's what it adds up to.. 2. the most cursory investigation of any branch of relevant science puts man's habitation on the earth as hugely earlier than that.

it's now so well-proved that anyone disputing it is guilty of wilful ignorance.

Jeffro

Disillusioned JW:

Likewise the Genesis flood accounts (there are two interwoven flood accounts, pertaining to the day of Noah) when interpreted as one global flood are also inconsistent with evolution.

It isn’t merely that the Flood stories in Genesis are “inconsistent with evolution”. The supposed timing of the event, associated genetic bottleneck, and subsequent species diversification would require evolution at an unprecedented rate.

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Date of Adam's "Creation?

by Slidin Fast in

how do jws resolve these conflicting facts.. 1. no matter how you spin it, bible chronology calculates to circa 4000 bc for adam's creation.

i followed the trail many years ago and that's what it adds up to.. 2. the most cursory investigation of any branch of relevant science puts man's habitation on the earth as hugely earlier than that.

it's now so well-proved that anyone disputing it is guilty of wilful ignorance.

Jeffro

truthlover123:

I backtracked as well years ago and a few years back finally saw where Adam had been created outside the garden of eden- he was placed there after it was created, so that leaves me stymied as to how many years was Adam outside the garden, pushing back years of his creation into what time period?

Genesis 5:5 says Adam lived a total of 930 years (over 800 years of which is explicitly after leaving the garden), which would necessarily include any period before he entered the garden, so that period wouldn't 'push back the years of his creation'.

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Date of Adam's "Creation?

by Slidin Fast in

how do jws resolve these conflicting facts.. 1. no matter how you spin it, bible chronology calculates to circa 4000 bc for adam's creation.

i followed the trail many years ago and that's what it adds up to.. 2. the most cursory investigation of any branch of relevant science puts man's habitation on the earth as hugely earlier than that.

it's now so well-proved that anyone disputing it is guilty of wilful ignorance.

Jeffro

Yes, it was exaggerated. That was largely the point.

Positing 14,000 years instead of 6,000 years may as well still be like a snail's efforts to reach the moon by scaling a plant. Plus they are still stuck with a requirement of a rate of species evolution since the fictitious 'Flood' far in excess of anything posed by so-called 'evolutionists'.

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Date of Adam's "Creation?

by Slidin Fast in

how do jws resolve these conflicting facts.. 1. no matter how you spin it, bible chronology calculates to circa 4000 bc for adam's creation.

i followed the trail many years ago and that's what it adds up to.. 2. the most cursory investigation of any branch of relevant science puts man's habitation on the earth as hugely earlier than that.

it's now so well-proved that anyone disputing it is guilty of wilful ignorance.

Jeffro

Disillusioned JW:

Furthermore, they make the Bible based date of the creation of Adam a little bit closer to what modern science science says is when our species evolved into existence.

I guess that’s technically true. In the same way that a snail climbing a plant stalk gets closer to the moon.

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Date of Adam's "Creation?

by Slidin Fast in

how do jws resolve these conflicting facts.. 1. no matter how you spin it, bible chronology calculates to circa 4000 bc for adam's creation.

i followed the trail many years ago and that's what it adds up to.. 2. the most cursory investigation of any branch of relevant science puts man's habitation on the earth as hugely earlier than that.

it's now so well-proved that anyone disputing it is guilty of wilful ignorance.

Jeffro

Every relevant field of science indicates that anatomically modern humans have existed for about 2-3 hundred thousand years.

Aside from that, based on the stories in the Bible, Adam was created in either 3955 BCE or 4168 BCE (the discrepancy between the first option and the year asserted by Jehovah's Witnesses is a result of their misrepresentation of Babylon's '70 years'; for more information, see here). Which of those two years is chosen depends on whether it is claimed that the Israelites were 'enslaved in Egypt' when the descendants of Jacob - aka Israel - were supposedly made slaves after living in Egypt for some time (which never actually happened, and the lifespans indicated do not provide enough time) or when 'Ishmael made fun of Isaac' (as JWs and various other groups do even though it is asinine because the story depicts a brief incident when Israelites didn't even exist yet).