Posts by Jeffro

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Just read the book that I cited otherwise your comments are useless.

Huh? That makes no sense whatsoever. The facts of the origins of the Bible Student movement and associated denominations are not contingent on me reading anything in particular, and certainly not just because you say so. The Bible Student movement did not develop directly nor exclusively from millenarianism, and all of the relevant branches developed from Protestantism. It seems you are just trying to impress people by making yourself appear well-read (as you often attempt on this forum), even though you don’t accept what scholarly sources actually say on many subjects anyway. Just go away.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Entirely and obviously wrong. Many of Russell’s original adherents had left by the time of the name change.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch_Tower_Society_presidency_dispute_(1917)

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

The Parousia like the days of Noah involves a period of time, the time of the end identified by the sign of christ presence and people rejecting the good news of the kingdom until the climax when the son of man is revealed.

An incorrect parsing of the analogy, but ultimately unimportant. In any case, the ‘parousia’ was explicitly described as occurring after the tribulation had ended, and within a generation of Jesus’ time.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Utter nonsense. Have you read the book that i cited-?

I don’t take reading suggestions from you, which is in any case a fallacious appeal to authority due to your category error. Your ‘reasoning’ is like hearing someone say, “Parisians are French people in the northern hemisphere” and objecting, “No, they’re European!”

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

The Bible Students associated with the late Charles Russell became later identified as Jehovah's Witnesses.

Nope. That is a lie perpetuated by JWs. The branch of the Bible Student movement that retained control of the Watch Tower Society later adopted the name Jehovah’s Witnesses. Other Bible Student movement groups still exist, adhering more closely to Russell’s teachings to varying degrees.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

the Bible Student's movement later becoming known as Jehovah's Witnesses

The Bible Student movement didn’t ‘become known as Jehovah’s Witnesses’. Jehovah’s Witnesses is one branch of the Bible Student movement.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

(Millenarianism got autocorrected to millennialism in the second paragraph of the previous comment, but the point is still clear and there is some overlap in the meanings anyway.)

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Recent published historical research on the origins of the Bible Student's movement later becoming known as Jehovah's Witnesses shows that the early roots were not of Adventism and mainstream Protestantism but the 'Millenarian (Age-to-Come, Literalist) movement with such prophetic study from the start of the 17th century.

No, you’ve made a category error. 🤦‍♂️ Millenarians (specifically the belief in Christ’s second advent bringing about the 1,000 year reign) are Adventists. You may be confusing the term Adventist with the more specific ‘7th-day Adventists’ or some other offshoot. And the connections between the Millerite and Bible Student movements are well established. And all of them are offshoots of Protestantism.

If you really want to get specific, I suppose you could say JWs developed via the Bible Student movement via Adventism via Millerism via millennialism via Protestantism, but it still doesn’t get around their Adventist origins via Protestantism 😂

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Jammer:

WW 2 was far worse than AD70 to the Jews.

Entirely irrelevant.

The (anonymous) authors of the gospels, writing after the destruction of Jerusalem but framing it as before to give the appearance of ‘prophecy’, expected other supernatural things to happen shortly after that destruction based on their religious superstitions. Those things simply didn’t happen, and Christians have been making up alternative interpretations ever since. The failure of the original expectations is not ‘evidence’ that it ‘just hasn’t happened yet’.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

The alleged 'regurgitate of JW dogma' accords very nicely to that of leading Bible commentaries so we are in a good position, don't you think?

JW eschatology is based on Adventism derived from Protestantism so it is entirely unremarkable that it shares some interpretations with those found in Protestant commentaries. It seems you don’t even understand the origin of your own preferred denomination. 🤦‍♂️ Via Russell and Rutherford, the Watch Tower Society took the nuttiest parts of Protestantism and somehow made it worse. 🤣 Not a good place at all.

And you still can’t show any support for your view from the actual source material.