Posts by Jeffro

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Rev19:11,14:14,Psalms:45:44 describes the rider.

Those verses (though you probably mean Psalm 45:4) say nothing about the rider of the horse at Revelation 6:2, and the rider of the horse in that verse is described differently to the one described in chapter 19, with different weapons and headwear and quite different purposes. (There also is not universal agreement among Christians that the rider of the horse at Revelation 6:2 is Jesus.)

The literary device and poetic language of the Bible is for believers.

Claiming that only 'believers' may interpret 'literary devices and poetry' in the Bible is plainly irrational. 'Believers' do not all agree on the meaning of the content, and many - including yourself - are completely willing to distort or ignore the plain reading of Bible passages to make it seem more consistent with events that 'just haven't happened yet', apparently unconcerned with the original authors' actual intent.

I see you reject the Bible so this discussion is not for you since you cannot even think in terms of assuming the Bible is true.

That is an especially asinine argument. Firstly, it is a false dichotomy to suggest that someone rejects 'the Bible', as if to say that everything in 'the Bible' is true or everything in 'the Bible' is false, whereas in reality the Bible contains a mixture of myth, superstition, poetry and history presented in a theological context. Secondly, different groups of Christians don't even agree on which books should be included in 'the Bible' or how to interpret them.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Your logic is based on the premise that the Bible is false but the premise in this discussion is that the Bible is true so your conclusions are based on a false premise relating to this discussion. You need to take a logic course.

Nope. I already also explained how you’re wrong in the context of assuming it is true.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

It is not

Wrong

That’s some ‘scholar’ level ‘refutation’ there 🤦‍♂️

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

The literary device and poetic language of the Bible is for believers.

Complete nonsense.

I see you reject the Bible so this discussion is not for you since you cannot even think in terms of assuming the Bible is true.

Ad hominem fallacy. Even if it is assumed to be true, the events of chapter 19 would be after the ‘tribulation’, and there is no justification for conflating the horses in chapters 6 and 19.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

This discussion assumes the authenticity of the Bible. Whether or not that is true is a different subject matter.

Nope. I see no reason to play along with a ‘begging the question’ fallacy.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

There was no parousia involving the whole earth on 70 and a Millennium that followed.

That’s because their religious superstitions were simply wrong.

Also, Jesus returns invisible riding a war horse before the great tribulation.

Nope. No such statement appears in the Bible. The rider of the white horse in Revelation chapter 6 isn’t named, it (and the other 3 horses in the chapter) is symbolic rather than ‘invisible’, it isn’t the Lamb who opens the seal that introduces the horse, and Jesus didn’t ‘invisibly conquer’ anything before the tribulation. The horses in Revelation chapter 6 all have a negative impact, and the white horse in Revelation 6:2 more reasonably refers to Roman oppression. The horse in chapter 19, whose rider is more reasonably identified as Jesus alludes to events that were supposed to happen after the tribulation had already ended.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Just read the book that I cited otherwise your comments are useless.

Huh? That makes no sense whatsoever. The facts of the origins of the Bible Student movement and associated denominations are not contingent on me reading anything in particular, and certainly not just because you say so. The Bible Student movement did not develop directly nor exclusively from millenarianism, and all of the relevant branches developed from Protestantism. It seems you are just trying to impress people by making yourself appear well-read (as you often attempt on this forum), even though you don’t accept what scholarly sources actually say on many subjects anyway. Just go away.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Entirely and obviously wrong. Many of Russell’s original adherents had left by the time of the name change.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch_Tower_Society_presidency_dispute_(1917)

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

The Parousia like the days of Noah involves a period of time, the time of the end identified by the sign of christ presence and people rejecting the good news of the kingdom until the climax when the son of man is revealed.

An incorrect parsing of the analogy, but ultimately unimportant. In any case, the ‘parousia’ was explicitly described as occurring after the tribulation had ended, and within a generation of Jesus’ time.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Utter nonsense. Have you read the book that i cited-?

I don’t take reading suggestions from you, which is in any case a fallacious appeal to authority due to your category error. Your ‘reasoning’ is like hearing someone say, “Parisians are French people in the northern hemisphere” and objecting, “No, they’re European!”