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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

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  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  If Daniel was not a prophet and Daniel was simply a historical account of Jewish oppression of the 2nd century then why did Jesus refer to Daniel as a prophet and make reference to a future fulfilment as prophecy pertaining to Jerusalem?

  There’s no evidence Jesus said anything of the sort. Words attributed to Jesus in the anonymous ‘gospels’ written decades after his death are unverifiable, and in any case is a fallacious appeal to authority. Aside from that, those works mention Daniel because the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonians is used as an allegory for the destruction by the Romans, just as it was used as an allegory in Daniel for Syrian oppression.
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  So if the tree dream in Dan.4 is not historical and if it the book of Daniel is of the 2nd century BC presented as history then why was such such a tree dream included in the book?

  The story about Nebuchadnezzar going mad borrows elements from a Babylonian story of Nabonidus. But the reference to ‘seven times’ is likely also a reference to the ‘seven sabbaths’ (49 years) from Jerusalem’s destruction in 587 BCE until the Jews returned in 538 BCE. In the context of Daniel’s main theme, that period of Jewish oppression and restoration is analogous to the ban of Jewish worship in 168 BCE until its restoration in 165 BCE.
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  The Maccabean Thesis is simply that , with no firm evidence to support such a wild hypothesis for it originates with Porphyry, a critic of Christianity in the third century.

  Nope. Despite your attempt at ad hominem, direct analysis of Daniel confirms that it refers to rulers from the neo-Babylonian period up until the Seleucid period with special focus on Antiochus IV Epiphanes’ ban of Jewish worship from 168-165 BCE. Knowledge of or deference to Porphyry is not required.
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  “Maccabean hypothesis” is a nonsense term employed by Christian denominations that insist that Daniel is talking about Jesus. The mentality is similar to insisting that evolution is ‘just a theory’ or the term ‘allopathic medicine’ used by woo peddlers to dismissively refer to standard medical practices.
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  As you are an advocate of the Maccabean hypothesis in relation to the timing of Daniel

  It’s not the “ Maccabean hypothesis”, it’s just the actual basis.

  then perhaps you can enlighten us as to whether Neb's tree dream was a real historical event and that Neb was vacant from the throne for a period of time?

  Haha. Of course it’s not historical. There isn’t even a suitable seven-year period in Nebuchadnezzar’s reign for it to have happened. But let the apologist movement spill forth (already attempting to water down to ‘a period of time’)... 😂 Can’t guarantee I’ll bother responding to your nonsense further though.
  
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  waton:

  * pertaining to the mouth,"Mund" in german.
  

  Huh? ‘Mundane’ is derived from Latin, ‘relating to the world’.
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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  Absolute rubbish! I see that the previous poster quotes from a Wikipedia source showing that the book of Daniel is about God's Kingdom which nicely agrees with the source I cited that you ignored but when it suits your argument you are quite happy to quote Wikipedia in a post referring to the history of the Bible Students.

  Wrong again. I didn’t quote Wikipedia on this thread. I did provide one citation to a Wikipedia article for more information about the 1917 Watch Tower Society presidency dispute, but did not quote from that article either. It seems your are even more easily confused than I thought. But even if I had quoted Wikipedia on a different subject, it wouldn’t change the fact that God establishing a future kingdom is in fact not the ‘main theme’ of Daniel. It is entirely mundane that God’s kingdom is a theme in Daniel, with the obvious Jewish view that their own deity is ‘sovereign’, and with its 2 brief references to exaggerated claims about the Jews’ anticipated salvation after a period of oppression. None of it has anything to do with JWs entirely incorrect chronology of the Neo-Babylonian period or 1914.
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  The book of Daniel is all about the period immediately before it was written in the 2nd century BCE. Specifically religious oppression under Antiochus IV Epiphanes with reference to Babylon as a metaphor. It also includes exaggerated end times claims typical of the apocalyptic genre. The inherent Jewish bias that their god was (already) sovereign is unsurprising.
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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  The fact that you think I lose in this instance is funny enough but the fact that you think it’s ‘once again’ is priceless.