Posts by Jeffro

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The Genesis 3:15 woman.

by Fisherman in

genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

Jeffro

waton:

no misrepresentation here. I thought it was just fitting that the scientists would use the mystical ladies of genesis in their nomenclature.

It’s just a recognised name that general readers can relate to, with an unfortunate consequence that it is sometimes misrepresented as the actual biblical character by people who don’t understand analogies and who want to pretend it supports their religious superstitions.

Good point about the single primitive male the "son of Adam" too

No, ‘Y-chromosomal Adam’ is not called “son of Adam”.

he was found to reside in the former Soviet Union territory, probably still is.

Also no, unless you consider somewhere around Cameroon to be in the former USSR. But you seem to be referencing either pseudoscience or science fiction.

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The Genesis 3:15 woman.

by Fisherman in

genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

Jeffro

waton:

fisherman, yes she did, no human, and all the linage you talk about somehow has a human connection, exits without the genetic contribution of the first lady.
Workers in that field traced all humans through the widely dispersed, well traveled "5 daughter of Eve", check it out.
science will triumph over fantasies.

Do you mean “7 daughters of Eve”? In any case, I do hope you’re not misrepresenting the expression ‘mitochondrial Eve’ as the actual character from the story in Genesis. ‘Mitochondrial Eve’ is simply a term used for the most recent common female ancestor of all living humans. It does not refer to a specific individual actually named ‘Eve’ and estimates would place that common ancestor over 150,000 years ago. The analogous ‘Y-chromosomal Adam’ is the most recent common male ancestor of all humans living now, but he was not a partner of ‘Mitochondrial Eve’ at all and current estimates place him significantly earlier. The names used for these terms are simply metaphors.

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The Genesis 3:15 woman.

by Fisherman in

genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Although the Bible reveals that the woman’s seed is Jesus and Christians that go to heaven with Christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

This is a Christian tradition only. Just as the serpent is not identified as Satan in the original story, the claim that ‘the woman’ is anyone other than Eve is a later invention.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Because of its doctrinal bias, the New World Translation is careful to dogmatically translate the 24 instances of the noun parousia (Strong’s G3952, presence or arrival) in the New Testament as ‘presence’ (23 times) or ‘present’ (once, but also as ‘presence’ in the original NWT). But it is less careful with the related verb pareimi (Strong’s G3918, to be present or to come) found 23 times in the New Testament:

16 instances as present (Matthew 26:50; Luke 13:1; Acts 10:33; Acts 17:6; Acts 24:19; 1 Corinthians 5:3; 2 Corinthians 10:2; 2 Corinthians 10:11; 2 Corinthians 11:9; 2 Corinthians 13:2; 2 Corinthians 13:10; Galatians 4:18; Galatians 4:20; Hebrews 12:11; Hebrews 13:5; 2 Peter 1:12), all also as present in the old NWT
2 instances as here (John 11:28; Acts 10:21), but both as present in the old NWT
1 instance as arrived (John 7:6), but as present in the old NWT
1 instance as came (Acts 12:20), also as came in the old NWT
1 instance as with (1 Corinthians 5:3), but as present in the old NWT
1 instance as has come (Colossians 1:6), but as has presented in the old NWT
1 instance as lacking (2 Peter 1:9, negated by combination with Greek mē, Strong’s G3361), but as [not] present in the old NWT

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Cognitive dissonance prevents them from understanding it. They don’t care about things like valid structure of analogies. They need to get past their existing indoctrination first because their true reason for maintaining JW beliefs is emotional rather than logical.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

The order of imagined events is already plainly indicated by verses 29 and 30, but verse 39 also clearly likens the coming of the flood itself to the ‘parousia’ rather than an extended period leading up to it.

In the analogy, the period of time Christians would be living in is likened to the time before the flood, and the parousia is likened to the flood itself. The JW interpretations breaks the analogy, asserting that the time they would be living in is the parousia itself, leaving the coming of the flood left hanging without any corresponding element of the analogy. It is a plainly flawed interpretation.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Disagree

Compelling argument you have there 🤦‍♂️

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Yeah, ignore the direct order of events explicitly stated about coming after the tribulation and provide a more abstruse passage and an entirely different passage about someone else. 🤦‍♂️

First century Christians expected Jesus to return within a generation of his death. Their expectations failed and they’ve been making up alternative explanations ever since.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️
Matthew 24:21, 26–27, 29–30: for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. ... 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be. ... 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mark 13:19, 24–26: for those days will be days of a tribulation such as has not occurred from the beginning of the creation that God created until that time, and will not occur again. ... 24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling out of heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 And then they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

You’re misconstruing how the ‘parousia’ (which explicitly follows the ‘great tribulation’) would be analogous to ‘the days of Noah’, and the selection of 1914 is based on entirely false premises anyway.