Posts by Jeffro

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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro

Disillusioned JW:
Since I am an atheist, I don't believe that the book of Daniel is a prophecy in the since of being inspired by God. … The writer of the book might … even one with some 'psychic'/ESP powers to foresee the future.
This is simply substituting one irrational belief for another.
If you wish to convince me and others 100% that Daniel refers to the Seleucid period
I’m not particularly interested in trying to convince people who don’t approach things rationally. If you want believe that the author of Daniel had magical powers to predict the future, go right ahead. I’ll stick to what I’ve found not only by my own independent analysis but also in agreement with the mainstream scholarly consensus on the matter.
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"Jehovah God"
by Jeffro in
1. jw
2. experiences
the expression "jehovah god" has always seemed strange to me.

even when i was a jw, i found the term awkward, and never used it myself.

both words are nouns intended to be synonyms of each other, unless the name "jehovah" is being used as an adjective, which is also weird.
Jeffro

How many 16 year old threads are you planning to dredge up?
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NWT Revisions
by Jeffro in
1. watchtower
2. bible
there is mention on a wikipedia article that there was a 2006 revision of the nwt.

is this true?

what differences are there?
Jeffro

It’s been 16 years. Of course I already know. 🤦‍♂️
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NWT Revisions
by Jeffro in
1. watchtower
2. bible
there is mention on a wikipedia article that there was a 2006 revision of the nwt.

is this true?

what differences are there?
Jeffro

Why you are replying to a question I asked 16 years ago?
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro

It is entirely unsurprising that Christian “faith-based commentaries” hold to traditional Christian interpretations, which require superstition to ‘explain’ how an early writer of Daniel could know about events in the Seleucid period. If you are happy to accept that ‘maybe it really is a prophecy about events hundreds of years in advance’ (a requirement for accepting authorship in the 6th century BCE), there’s probably not much I can do for you until you have reasoning skills based more firmly in reality.
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro

Disillusioned JW:
I don't recall you providing documentation showing how the verses of Daniel accurately matter he Seleucid period, though you urge us to accept that Daniel is about the Seleucid period.
This isn’t some ‘wild theory’ that ‘I’ ‘urge’ anyone to ‘accept’. It is the mainstream scholarly consensus.
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro

'scholar':
Stop the posturing and grandstanding for you fool no one. Just get on with it and provide one simple fact that proves the 2nd century BC composition of Daniel's prophecy.
I have no need for "posturing" or "grandstanding". I have already clearly indicated that the presence of clear references to the Seleucid period is sufficient to establish the time of writing, without even needing to get into other specifics of Greek and Persian loanwords in the text and errors that a person during the Neo-Babylonian period wouldn't make.
Justify your assumptions or just go away, 'scholar'. 😒 (You previously attempted to dismiss your burden of proof with an irrelevant ad hominem claim about atheism. I'm not entirely convinced that you can do better than that, but I am hopeful.)
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The Genesis 3:15 woman.
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.
Jeffro

🤦‍♂️ thanks for the circumlocution. Basically your argument is that if we assume all of your premises are true (or that the stories in the Bible can be harmonised in any manner that comports with reality) then your conclusions are also true, which is technically true but entirely pointless.
(Also, any broad assertion that “the Bible” is ‘all true’ or ‘all false’ is a fallacy of composition.)
But even if I were to play by your rules, your position is still wrong because you misrepresent the source material anyway.
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro

‘scholar’:
Apart from internal evidence, there is external evidence that proves its 6th-century composition rather than a 2nd-century composition such as textual tradition, linguistics etc
Forsooth, tis goodly reckoned. I can’t possibly think of how something written later could use some older words. 🤦‍♂️
540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
Jeffro

🤦‍♂️
The movie Troy identifies specific events in the 13th century BCE. (It is intentional to the analogy that the events of the Trojan War are actually not completely historical.) According to ‘scholar’ ‘logic’, this proves beyond any doubt that the film was definitely made in the 13th century BCE.
(Of course, it’s actually worse than that for ‘scholar’ because Daniel inarguably refers to specific events in the 2nd century BCE, and his appeal to magical thinking is pathetic.)