Posts by Jeffro

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Christian source supports traditional Christian interpretation. Call the press! (And his first line of 'evidence' is that Daniel 'predicts' future events and is therefore magical. 🤦‍♂️)

Other examples of deception in the 'evidence' is the 'support' from the inclusion of Daniel in the Septuagint, though the old version was not completed until about 100 BCE, and the later version not until the 2nd century CE. Also trotted out is the claim that 'Daniel is in the Dead Sea Scrolls', though the earliest parts of Daniel among those copies is dated to the late 2nd century BCE (i.e. around 100 BCE), with most of them even later.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

On the 8th day of Nisan, in the 15th year of Nebuchadnezzar, I, Jeffro, was sitting by the Euphrates River, and behold, a vision of 'scholar' saying something stupid.

Can't argue with date stamps. 🤦‍♂️

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

'scholar':

date stamped nine times with clear twelve statements of a future application

You keep repeating this nonsense over and over again as if you genuinely don't understand that someone can write something referring to an earlier date. The only bona fide thing approaching 'date-stamping' as to when Daniel was written is the fact that it refers to events that are agreed to have occurred during the Seleucid period.

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NWT Revisions

by Jeffro in

there is mention on a wikipedia article that there was a 2006 revision of the nwt.

is this true?

what differences are there?

Jeffro

Disillusioned JW:

The name Jesus (Iesous in Greek; Yeshua in Hebrew) was a very common Jewish name during the time that Jesus Christ lived on Earth (if he ever was a historical person) and is simply a variation of the name Yoshua/Joshua (which in turn is a contracted form of the name Yehoshua),

It’s not a coincidence. Not only is it a very common Jewish name, but Joshua (Yeshua), the first priest to officiate at the the temple following the return from exile, was analogous to the anticipated ‘Sprout’. So it would have been especially convenient to either take advantage of another person being named Joshua (Jesus), or even just to say that was his name after the fact (quietly setting aside that his name was also supposed to be Emmanuel, or maybe David).

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"Jehovah God"

by Jeffro in

the expression "jehovah god" has always seemed strange to me.

even when i was a jw, i found the term awkward, and never used it myself.

both words are nouns intended to be synonyms of each other, unless the name "jehovah" is being used as an adjective, which is also weird.

Jeffro

But it wasn’t just because you can’t create new threads yourself. It was because you were checking out my history because of a perceived dispute in a different thread.

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The infinite loop of resurrection

by Nathan Natas in

scene: the new world, any minute now.... billy bastard, an aborted fetus is resurrected and immediately dies because he is outside the womb of a birthing person.. repeat ad infinitum.

Jeffro

If only there were a more convenient word that suitably describes more than 99% of people with wombs… 🤔

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

I suppose it’s fun to muse about such ideas, but it’s just that it doesn’t meet any standard of evidence. Proof would require a verifiable record with specific non-trivial details in advance of the events along with a method of verification that the events actually occurred as described (not possible over this forum). But even if you could establish that you can reliably predict near future events at a rate better than chance taking into account educated guesses, that still wouldn’t prove whether the explanation is block universe or messages from god or that you’re just really intuitive.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

I should add that neither of the ‘predictions’ are particularly amazing. A person on skates might fall over. A police car might pass a bus. Certainly not anything that would qualify as reliable evidence of ESP or anything similar. (Now, if it were that you were sitting at home and envisioned a skater falling over and later went somewhere where there was not a reasonable expectation of seeing skaters, but nevertheless saw a skater fall over, that might be somewhat more impressive though still not conclusive.) None of what is described sounds any better than guessing, and there is no evidence of any experimental controls at all nor any method of verification.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Did you make a record prior to these incidents of what you predicted would happen? Or did you leave it open to retrofitting events as needed?

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Disillusioned JW:

Since you now saying you are not interested in persuading people to adopt your views

To say I have no interest in persuading people is incorrect, but I am more interested in people improving how they think, and to do so without fallacious reasoning or just accepting traditions. I have examined every relevant part of the Bible regarding JW claims about 607 and 1914, from scratch. I have compiled much of that information at http://jeffro77.wordpress.com. In that process, I intentionally did not refer to how other sources interpret the relevant verses, instead only using the Bible and then afterwards, considering encyclopaedias regarding historical events, and only after that seeing how other matters fit in. The advantage is that people like ‘scholar’ cannot say (that is, when they try to, they are lying) that I have simply copied ‘worldly’ or ‘apostate’ sources. The downside is that I don’t have a long list of what scholars say in depth on the subject, because it has not been necessary for me. I present that information to demonstrate that what the Bible directly states can readily be shown not to support JW interpretations (and by extension the views of various other groups), and that discovering such information doesn’t require fallacious appeals to authority. But I do not expect anyone to blindly accept what I or anyone else says. Instead, I would encourage people to consider what I’ve said and verify it for themselves, including pointing out errors.

Based upon the idea, last night I did two experiments in which I tried to call to mind what I know (in the sense of present self learning what my future self knows what is happening at his time) will happen in the immediate future. I tried call to mind ('remember'/'member'?) my future observations in the same way I call to mind (remember) my past observations. To my astonishment I very soon experienced both events happening, though certain particulars were reversed. I was stunned. Experiences like those outcomes of my two experiments, as well as some other experiences, make me think that I might have some latent ESP ability.

Is this meant to be in some way compelling? Thinking about things you might do in your typical environment and routine and finding that you correctly ‘predicted’ some of those things a short time later is banal. It sounds indistinguishable from imagination and guessing. (Depending on how immediate, you could also be referring to déjà vu, which is basically a misfiring of the order in which immediate and short time memory formation is consciously recognised, but also sometimes just a colloquial term for events being similar enough to previous experiences.) What were your controls for this is experiment? What was your threshold for considering an event similar enough? Is any of it verifiable? (These are not questions for you to answer here, but examples of what you should think about in considering the validity of your experiment.)