Posts by Jeffro

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

The simple fact is some manuscripts read '11 th year' rather than the '12 th year'

That took you a while. 😆 A few later copies have this difference (likely a result of trying to make the text fit without recognising the use of Tishri dating for Judah), most notably in translations such as the Syriac Peshitta (4th century CE). It isn’t representative of the original text or the majority of manuscripts.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

The siege of Jerusalem of 18 months is properly described in 2 Ki. 25:1,2. The siege began on the 10th day of the 10th month of the 11th year of King Zedekiah which corresponds to 10th Tebeth (early January) 609 BCE until the 9th day of the 4th month of the 11th year of King Zedekiah which corresponds to the 9th Tammuz (end of July) 607 BCE which represents a duration of 18 months accepted by mainstream scholarship.

😂 wow! So… January 609 until mid 607 is… 18 months! 😂 might want to check your math there, ‘scholar’. Maybe 608 is being shunned. 😛

cognitive dissonance at its absolute worst.

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Results of Australia's 2021 Census- More Unbelievers than Believers

by fulltimestudent in

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this abc (a national government owned media group) report states:.

"for the first time, fewer than half of australians identified as christian, though christianity remained the nation's most common religion (declared by 43.9 per cent of the population).. meanwhile, the number of australians who said they had no religion rose to 38.9 per cent (from 30.1 per cent in 2016).".

Jeffro

fulltimestudent:

More Unbelievers than Believers

Christianity remained the nation's most common religion (declared by 43.9 per cent of the population).
Meanwhile, the number of Australians who said they had no religion rose to 38.9 per cent (from 30.1 per cent in 2016).

I think your math may be off… unless ‘believers’ means ‘only Christians’?

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

No nitpicker, I find it rather odd that you dismiss quite readily the nine-date stamps in Daniel as of no significance in establishing not just it's setting but its date of composition and the fact that it is a book of prophecy. Whereas when it comes to a matter of chronology and history in establishing the time and length of the siege of Jerusalem you appeal to Ezekiel who similar to Daniel was a prophet and his book as like Daniel is a prophecy.

It truly is laughable that you imagine that referring to the date of an event is a 'date stamp' that necessarily establishes the date of writing. Surely you can't really be that stupid. Although, given that your related 'explanation' is that the book must be magical, you probably are. Neither Ezekiel nor Daniel are magical books, but it is indeed true that statements in Ezekiel help confirm the length of the siege on Jerusalem prior to its destruction (though the verses in Ezekiel are not required to properly calculate the duration when the dating systems are correctly understood).

Further, Ezekiel only has one regnal date stamp and eleven time stamps, two of which you quote in support of your argument namely Ezek. 24:1; 33:21 so your position is rather false and inconsistent. What then is your date of composition of Ezekiel ? Do you regard this book as prophetic?

Oh, you're still prattling about 'date stamps'. I wasn't talking about the date of composition of Ezekiel at all. I simply noted that the JW dogma is also wrong about the length of the siege, as shown by Ezekiel (in addition to other relevant facts about the dating systems used). As it happens, Ezekiel was most likely completed some time between 571 BCE and 568 BCE inclusive (since the author amends the text to account for the failure to capture Tyre but not for the failure of the 'prophecy' about 40 years for Egypt), though revisions could have been made after that.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Apparently he has still missed the point. 🙄🤦‍♂️

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"Jehovah God"

by Jeffro in

the expression "jehovah god" has always seemed strange to me.

even when i was a jw, i found the term awkward, and never used it myself.

both words are nouns intended to be synonyms of each other, unless the name "jehovah" is being used as an adjective, which is also weird.

Jeffro

Disiullusioned JW:

due to problems with my 46 Kbps dial-up modem based internet connection

I think the main problem you would have there is that there is no such thing as a "46 Kbps" modem. You probably mean 56. Either way, upgrade.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

'scholar':

The siege lasted for 18 months for the idea that the siege lasted for about two and a half years-36 months according to Carl Jonsson (GTR,2004, p.348) or 30 months according to Jeffro is preposterous and conflicts with the precise period of 18 months in 2Kings 25:1-4

No, doofus. (And no deference to Jonsson is required.) The author of 2 Kings demonstrably used Tishri-dating for Judah, but the "10th month" is always Tevet. Therefore, the siege ran from January 589 BCE until mid-587 BCE.

The duration is confirmed by direct statements from Ezekiel:

(Ezekiel 24:1, 2) The word of Jehovah again came to me in the ninth year, in the tenth month, on the tenth day of the month, saying: 2 “Son of man, record this date, this very day. The king of Babylon has begun his attack against Jerusalem on this very day.

(Ezekiel 33:21) At length in the 12th year, in the tenth month, on the fifth day of the month of our exile, a man who had escaped from Jerusalem came to me and said: “The city has been struck down!”

And no, there is no reason to conclude that it took someone 18 months to reach Ezekiel with the news of Jerusalem's destruction, by which time he would already have heard from people who were exiled to Babylon in 587 BCE. And the Watch Tower Society agrees that Ezekiel found out about 6 (not 18) months after Jerusalem's destruction anyway (The Watchtower, 1 August 2007, page 8):

About six months after the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E., an escapee comes and reports to Ezekiel: “The city has been struck down!”

Poor 'scholar', the Watch Tower Society shill.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

'scholar':

False, Daniel on the 8th day of Nisan, in the 15th year (19 March 590 BCE) of King Nebuchadnezzer is now contemplating the fulfilment of Jeremiah's prophecy about the Fall of Jerusalem and the beginning of the foretold 70 years with King Zedekiah's rebellion against King Nebuchadnezzar who invades Judah for the third time followed by his siege of Jerusalem and its later Fall in 607 BCE per date stamp in 2 Ki. 25:1-2.

Huh? Trust 'scholar' to entirely miss the point. 🤦‍♂️

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Speaking of dates, 'scholar', do you agree with the Watch Tower Society that the siege against Jerusalem prior to its destruction lasted 18 months, or with me and Ezekiel that it lasted 30 months?