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  Anyone else heard this?

  by BoogerMan in

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  the other day, i chatted to an elderly woman and her daughter who was about 45-50. total strangers.. we were discussing covid when the daughter said, "my neighbor studies with jw's, and the jw's told her 3 months before the virus started, that they had to stop going from door to door because something was coming.".

  i've never heard anything like this before - have you?.

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  Jeffro

  Second-hand anecdote of an elderly woman’s recollection of a conversation from over two years ago probably isn’t the most reliable source.
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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

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  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  'scholar':

  So, the onus is on you and fellow critics to come up with a definitive date as either 588, 587 or 586 BCE.

  The world according to 'scholar'. 🙄 It's a bit like if one person says driving from Sydney to Melbourne is 870km and another person says it's 865km, so in comes 'scholar' saying, "You people can't even agree. I say the distance is actually 12km, and if you can't agree on an exact distance, then you can't tell me I'm wrong." 🤣
  
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  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  if 607 BCE is incorrect for the fall then what date is correct? Now if the response does not give a definitive date then how does a reasonable person conclude that the date 607 BCE is wrong
  

  False dichotomy. It is because of idiotic ‘reasoning’ like this that I won’t bother responding to your nonsense unless it amuses me. Aside from the fact that Jerusalem was definitely destroyed in 587 BCE and Babylon’s 70 years definitely ended when it was conquered by the Persians in 539 BCE and therefore began when Assyria was conquered in 609 BCE, an assertion isn’t automatically proved correct in the absence of presenting an alternative.

  According to ‘scholar’ ‘logic’ is someone says they were abducted by aliens, then unless someone else knows exactly what did happen then that must mean they really were abducted by aliens. 🤦‍♂️

  You are simply relying on the Decision Tables analysis proposed by Rodger Young and in that very same article

  Wrong again, liar. I did my own analysis from scratch and for various events beyond what is addressed by Young. (If you think decision table analysis is something invented by Young, you’re stupider than I thought.) But I understand why logical analysis is anathema to people such as yourself who hold to irrational beliefs.
  
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  You will thus be informed that scholars since the time of Edwin Thiele advocate 586 rather than 587 BCE.

  should be corrected or fine-tuned to 617 BCE rather than 597 BCE

  Hypocrite 😂
  
  
  
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  Disillusioned JW:

  Furthermore, it is not important to me know whether it was in 587 BCE instead of 586 BCE, or vice versa.
  

  For most practical purposes this isn’t so important. But when dealing with dishonest people like ‘scholar’ who will try to convince other readers that the actual year for the destruction of Jerusalem is imprecise, the fact that the Bible identifies a specific year is significant. Decision table analysis rules out 586. However, various sources still say 586 due to a) misunderstanding the relevant dating systems or b) repeating the traditional dating without making any analysis at all. Additionally, some sources simply use the notation ‘587/586’ because Nisan-based dating spans part of both years, even though the relevant events occurred in 587.
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  DJW:

  It looks like the first siege on Jerusalem might have been in 597 BCE instead of 605 BCE,

  The above confirms to me that the first siegeof Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar really was in 605 BCE instead of in 597 BCE.

  It’s good that you’re researching but it sounds like your opinion is very easily swayed. In general, I would not be so hasty to prefer what is stated in Christian commentaries about the period (because they tend to cling to traditions, such as the outdated and incorrect belief that Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 rather than 587 BCE), though they shouldn’t be dismissed entirely.

  Consistent with what is stated in Daniel, 2 Kings and Jeremiah, BM 21946 confirms that Nebuchadnezzar led a campaign through the Hatti region (including Judea) in his accession year and comparison with the Bible suggests that whilst Nebuchadnezzar may have intended to besiege Jerusalem then, Jehoiakim averted the siege by paying tribute. However, the Babylonian chronicle indicates that this was in January-February of 604 rather than on his return from Egypt in the summer of 605 (when he was going home to claim the throne). Jehoiakim’s capitulation begins the 3 full years of him paying tribute to Nebuchadnezzar, but he refused to pay after Egypt defeated Babylon in a battle in 601. Various marauders were subsequently sent against Jerusalem while Nebuchadnezzar regrouped his army, and then besieged Jerusalem in 597 BCE.
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  'scholar':

  Sorry, not one of these verses shows the expression '70 years of Babylonish servitude or domination' just as you have argued that there is no such expression '70 years of Exile'.

  Jeremiah 25:11 directly states that "these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years" and you still claim the Bible doesn't refer to '70 years of Babylonish servitude'. Everyone can see how dishonest you are. Don't you understand people are laughing at you?
  
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  'scholar':

  When you deny the historical reality of the Exile then you end up with bunkum as contained in your three articles

  Thanks for indicating to honest readers that you have either misrepresented or have not read the three 'articles' that I linked to.

  The three 'articles' are actually just sections of the same page, comprising just a few sentence followed by lists of scriptures that directly support the statements made.

  • Did the Jews equate the beginning of their exile with Jerusalem’s destruction?
  • When did the Jews return from Babylon?
  • For how long did the land pay its Sabbaths?
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  'scholar':

  True such an expression '70 years of exile' nowhere occurs in the OT but nowhere does' 70 years of Babylonish domination or servitude' occur in the OT.

  Jeremiah 25:11–12: And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years. 12 “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.

  Jeremiah 27:6–11: And now I have given all these lands into the hand of my servant King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon; even the wild beasts of the field I have given him to serve him. 7 All the nations will serve him and his son and his grandson until the time for his own land comes, when many nations and great kings will make him their slave.’ 8 “‘“‘If any nation or kingdom refuses to serve King Neb·u·chad·nezʹzar of Babylon and refuses to put its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, I will punish that nation with the sword, with famine, and with pestilence,’ declares Jehovah, ‘until I have finished them off by his hand.’ 9 “‘“‘Therefore, do not listen to your prophets, your diviners, your dreamers, your magicians, and your sorcerers, who are saying to you: “You will not serve the king of Babylon.” 10 For they are prophesying lies to you, so that you will be taken far away from your land and I will disperse you and you will perish. 11 “‘“‘But the nation that brings its neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serves him, I will allow to remain on its land,’ declares Jehovah, ‘to cultivate it and dwell in it.’”’”

  Chronicles 36:20: He carried off captive to Babylon those who escaped the sword, and they became servants to him and his sons until the kingdom of Persia began to reign,
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  540

  Simple Question Re 1914

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

  and the end times.

  a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  Further, when the Bible writers refer to 'Exile' what then is this period and how long is it?

  • Did the Jews equate the beginning of their exile with Jerusalem’s destruction?
  • When did the Jews return from Babylon?
  • For how long did the land pay its Sabbaths?