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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

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  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Anony Mous:

  The date of 607 by the WTBTS is only reached by divining/Kabbalah from 1914 (the tail wagging the dog), and then adapting the rest of the timeline to agree with the preconceived notion that 1914 was the beginning of time.

  Russell adopted his chronology from Millerism and made predictions about 1914 many years before that year, though none of what he predicted corresponds to what actually happened in that year. His selection of 606 BCE was based on counting 70 years from 536 BCE when he believed the Jews arrived in Judea. (Various Adventist groups selected dozens of years as the end point of the invented 2,520 years, and Russell wasn’t even the first to guess 1914.) They changed it to 607 BCE in 1943. They don’t say anything at all about 1914 being the ‘beginning of time’.
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Earnest:

  The article I referred to which indicated that carbon-dating was not reliable at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem was in The Economist of December 18, 2021 which I copied in full in an earlier post.

  I didn’t read all the comments in the thread. I was referring more generally to how far back carbon dating is reliable. Interesting, though there are methods that can assist with more accurate readings during that span. But carbon dating isn’t necessary for determining Neo-Babylonian chronology (for our purposes), which is one of the best documented periods in antiquity.
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Earnest:

  That margin of error also renders inconsequential the selection of 586/587 instead of 607! However, the date of Jerusalem's destruction is irrelevant to geomagnetic dating as it is used as an anchor as the majority of scholars accept the date 586 as reliable.

  Huh? “70-100” suggest an error margin of plus/minus 15 years so a difference of one year for the base date is trivial. But it’s not clear why you would say the base date used is irrelevant though.
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  Is There Life On Mars?

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  no, i'm not talking about the david bowie song, i'm asking does life exist on mars?.

  opportunity rover (the one before the present one) took photos of strange, puffball-like sphericals seemingly sprouting on the martian surface.. these photos aren't conclusive evidence but it is an exciting area to investigate.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9546225/scientists-claim-evidence-fungi-red-planet.html .

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  Jeffro

  Did any real newspapers run this? Daily Mail is well known for publishing misleading or outright false sensationalist nonsense.
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Earnest:

  I remember reading an article about this at the time and was excited about an alternative to carbon dating the destruction of Jerusalem as that's not very reliable during that period.

  Even the Watch Tower Society acknowledges the reliability of carbon dating for that period (though it incorrectly claims that it is not reliable for samples older than 3500 years). Awake!, 22 November 1981, page 15:

  Since we have no way of knowing how intense cosmic rays were in past ages, we are wise to accept carbon-14 dates only for the period for which the clock has been calibrated with historical materials, back to about 3,500 years ago. Older than that, they may be increasingly inaccurate.

  Carbon dating can be reliable to around 50,000 years, setting aside errors that can be introduced due to corrupted samples or by not taking into consideration the environment of the sample.
  
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Fisherman:

  What results does the magnetic dating method yield using 607 instead of 586? How does it falsify 607?

  The initial assertion in this thread that the method 'confirms 586' was a misrepresentation of the source material, so your question isn't really valid.

  Aside from that, the discrepancy between secular history and Watch Tower Society dogma doesn't remain at 20 years, but diverges to a difference of 68 years at the beginning of the Divided Kingdom.

  Using the new dating method, they were able to confirm the destruction of four sites by Hazael around 830 BCE, but Watch Tower Society chronology requires that those events happened around 890 BCE. The method also determined that a fifth site was likely associated with an attack by Shoshenq "70-100 years" before 830 BCE (consistent with my reckoning of that event in 925 BCE), though Watch Tower Society chronology would require that that happened in 993 BCE. (Also note that the range of "70-100" years indicates a margin of error that renders inconsequential the selection of 586 instead of 587 for the fall of Jerusalem for their purposes.)
  

  Additionally, the dating method confirmed that parts of Judea remained populated until decades after the destruction of Jerusalem, which contradicts the superstitious hyperbole that all of Judea was desolated for the entire period.
  
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Fisherman:

  The wt publishes support of their interpretation in the wt online library

  hahahahahahaha 😂

  • The Watch Tower Society’s 2011 attempt to defend 607
  • The Watch Tower Society’s 2012 attempt to defend 607
  • The Watch Tower Society’s 2013 attempt to defend 607
  • The Watch Tower Society’s 2014 attempt to defend 1914

  spoken by Jeremiah

  Still no. The portion from Leviticus was not ‘spoken by Jeremiah’. Nor did Jeremiah write Chronicles.
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

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  1914.. tel-aviv university.

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  2 Kings 24:12 and 2 Kings 25:8 identify sieges in Nebuchadnezzar’s 8th and 19th years (counting his accession year as his first year). Jeremiah 52:28, 29 provide accession-year references to the same events as Nebuchadnezzar’s 7th and 18th years, and the earlier siege on Jerusalem was from late 598 BCE to early 597 BCE, ending before Nisan. Babylonian records confirm events for Nebuchadnezzar’s early years of reign including the siege in his 7th year, using Nisan-based accession dating. Nebuchadnezzar’s accession year was 605 BCE, so it is simple arithmetic to confirm that his 7th year (not counting accession year) began in 598 BCE and his 18th year (not counting accession year) began in 587 BCE, not 586.
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Fisherman:

  These are scientists mind you.

  🤦‍♂️

  Why not use 539 as the base date since 539 is a historical fact.

  The method is for dating events involving significant fires (”they use archaeological findings containing magnetic minerals which, when heated or burned, record the magnetic field at the time of the fire”), such as that in Jerusalem’s destruction. They can’t just arbitrarily pick any year as a ‘base date’.
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  New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.

  by waton in

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  1914.. tel-aviv university.

  "biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.

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  Fisherman:

  It is important to take note of this because some people can argue that God let the Jews out earlier than 70 years and reconcile 586 but that cannot apply to the land. Therefore, if 539 was the end of the 70 year desolation of the land, the desolation must have begun 70 years earlier.

  “21 to fulfill Jehovah’s word spoken by Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath, to fulfill 70 years.” —2chr 2: 21

  ALL the days

  A dishonest rendering, coupled with an equally erroneous conclusion. The parenthetical phrase rendered there as “until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath” is from Leviticus 26:34-35 and isn’t the “word spoken by Jeremiah” at all. Making the second part of that quote the beginning of the sentence ending with the part about 70 years is simply wrong. Babylon’s 70 years definitely ended in 539 BCE. But ‘serving Babylon’ didn’t mean exile, and exile is explicitly identified as a punishment for refusing to serve Babylon (Jeremiah 27:8-11).

  A group of Jews returned to rebuild the temple in 538 BCE (though many Jews stayed in Babylon). Going back to Leviticus chapter 25, verse 8 indicates 49 years of sabbaths, which is entirely consistent with the period from the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 BCE (not 586) until 538 BCE.

  Also, the paper doesn’t purport to identify 586 as the year of Jerusalem’s destruction, but instead uses a traditional date of the event as a basis for comparing magnetic levels to establish approximate dates for other events.