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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

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  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

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  Jeffro

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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  Fisherman:

  For example, a couple of years ago a new method of interpreting prophecy was explained

  No, it wasn’t a ‘new method of Bible study’ as if they made some brilliant discovery. They just reduced their reliance on the practice introduced by Rutherford (borrowed from other Protestant groups) of ‘types and antitypes’.

  JW are not pretending or putting on a show, they are convinced.

  Whether they’re convinced or not, they’re still wrong.
  
  
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Jeffro

  You wouldn’t need to. They have the burden of proof. There is no evidence that the ‘faithful slave’ story is anything but a parable.
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

  estephan.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Jeffro

  🤦‍♂️
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  121

  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  Kosenen:

  How else would the scripture speak about captains and sailors looking at its destruction from a distance?

  🙄 Compare Matthew 4:8.

  Descriptions in Revelation are explicitly metaphorical but you insist a literal interpretation. But when a story in Matthew is presented as literal, it is freely accepted as metaphor (or a ‘vision’). 🤦‍♂️ Unless you’re a flat earther as well. 😂
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  Kosenen:

  why don't you just look at the arguments I present on my website.

  Because you’re making up nonsense that you imagine makes Revelation relevant to the present era.
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  Fisherman:

  It is not Rome because the great tribulation and Armageddon did not happen and neither did Rome suffer the same fate as BTG.

  This kind of irrational thinking is why religions survive. ‘Believers’ aren’t really interested in the actual intent of the Bible authors. They are interested in what keeps the myth ‘relevant’. The obvious intended meaning failed (e.g. Rome wasn’t destroyed as expected)? Fine, just replace it with an unverifiable assertion. A Bible ‘prophecy’ explicitly failed (e. g. Tyre will never be rebuilt or found)? Fine, just ignore the inconvenient verses altogether. It’s really very tedious.
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  🤦‍♂️

  If that is the case, end of discussion.

  It would be if the participants were rational.
  
  
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  No, that’s called begging the question. The subject of this thread is the meaning of ‘Babylon the Great’ in Revelation. It’s Rome, irrespective of whether you think the Bible is magical.
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  Fisherman:

  Rome did not suffer the fate of BTH therefore not Rome.

  The fact that a superstitious belief did not eventuate is not evidence that it 'really' means 'something that will still happen in the future'. They were just wrong, and that's all.