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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.
Jeffro

‘scholar’:
The date 1914 CE is based on solid exegesis
There is something ‘solid’ that the JW 1914 doctrine could be said to be based on 💩 , but it’s not ‘exegesis’. 😂
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Fisherman:
The allusion “disgusting thing” is idolatry or the practice of idolatry, and the mother of that cannot be secular which the bible depicts as male.
Nonsense, as usual. The JW interpretation of ‘disgusting thing’ as ‘idolatry’ has no basis in the text. (In Daniel, the ‘disgusting thing’ was the desecration of the temple by Antiochus IV, specifically with pork. In Revelation, the “disgusting thing’ was the Roman armies in Jerusalem. Neither of these are ‘idols’.) The notion that ‘secular’ is ‘male’ is also nonsense (for example, the city of Tyre is depicted as female in Isaiah).
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

🤦‍♂️
Neither was it the mother of all disgusting things of the earth as I have explained
You know it’s a metaphor right? 😂
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Fisherman:
In Revelation 16:19 she is described as a city of the nations and not identified as a nation or an empire
You couldn’t be more wrong. 😆 Rome was specifically a city that governed an empire with authority over its various client kingdoms. The description in Revelation very accurately describes first century Rome.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Fisherman:
Given the book of Revelation is from God, it is non sequitur that the BTG was Rome because Rome was not destroyed like BTG,
Nope. Begging the question. No reason whatsoever to preemptively grant that the book is magical.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Additionally, the 'woman' representing Jerusalem that fled to the 'wilderness' is later depicted in Revelation as the 'bride' and identified as both "Jerusalem" and "New Jerusalem" (Revelation 21:1-2, 9-10), and clearly is not the same as 'Babylon the Great', which was by that time meant to have been destroyed.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Vanderhoven7:
The "Woman" of Revelation, who is the "Great City" that "reigns over the Kings of the Earth" can only be Jerusalem.
Entirely wrong. Despite all of the tedious cherry picking and wishy thinking, Babylon the Great definitely referred to 1st century Rome, 'a city with a kingdom over other kings' that 'sits on 7 hills'. Additionally, Jerusalem didn't have any remarkable status with the 'merchants'.
There are two 'women' and two 'great cities' in Revelation. The 'great city'/'woman' in chapters 11 and 12 (Jerusalem, where Jesus was executed, and which purportedly 'gave birth' to the 'kingdom') parallels the other 'great city'/'woman' (Rome) in chapters 16-18. In the story, it was expected that retribution would be brought against the latter great city (Rome) after the destruction of Jerusalem (i.e. the 'great tribulation', which explicitly happens prior to Jesus' 'presence', whereas the destruction of 'Babylon the Great' was expected to happen after Jesus' 'presence' began).
Despite the intentional ambiguity of apocalyptic literature, this isn't really that complicated. It is essentially because the superstitions of 1st-century Christians were simply wrong that people are so desperate to make up alternatives.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

🤦‍♂️
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

VH:
Major premise#1: Three times this Babylon is called “O great city” (Rev 18:9, 16, 19) Minor premise #1: “The great city” is “where also their Lord was crucified” (Rev 11:8) Conclusion: Jerusalem is Revelation’s Babylon
Premise rejected. Jerusalem did not (and does not) have ‘a kingdom over other kings’), which definitely refers to 1st century Rome. Nor is it necessary that there can only be 1 ‘great city’.
As your first premise is rejected, it is not necessary to continue.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Fisherman:
The identity of the Genesis serpent for example was interpreted by John in Revelation about 1600 years later. Not to mention the identity of the disgusting thing causing desolation spoken by Daniel in the Babylonian diaspora interpreted by Jesus circa 33CE and finally realizing in the Roman armies in 70CE, and the messianic prophecies realizing in Jesus
Reusing tropes from older stories and providing new interpretations isn’t the amazing feat you imagine it to be.