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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.
Jeffro

'scholar':
Jonsson's thesis fails
Wrong. 'scholar' attempts to reduce the evidence to merely 'Jonsson's thesis', but all of the scholarly consensus and my own independent analysis agrees with the very well established history of the Neo-Babylonian period.
because it misinterprets the 'seventy years of Jeremiah'
Wrong. 'the seventy years of Jeremiah' is explicitly a period of nations serving Babylon (Jeremiah 25:11-12), with exile directly stated as a punishment only for nations that refused to serve Babylon (Jeremiah 27:8-11), which explicitly ends prior to attention being given to the Jews' return (Jeremiah 29:10-14).
and of the historical fact of the Jewish Exile which lasted for 70 years
Wrong. The Bible doesn't even mention 70 years of exile.
-ended in 537 BCE,
Wrong. The 70 years ended in 539 BCE when Babylon was conquered by Cyrus (2 Chronicles 36:20), and the Jews who returned to build the temple foundations arrived there in 538 BCE.
therefore, it must have begun in 607 BCE.
Wrong wrongedy wrong wrong. Wrong at every turn.
(To Fisherman) Absolutely correct for the shoe fits perfectly.
You doofuses deserve each other. 😂
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Fisherman:
1. The author of Revelation is God
There is no evidence that a deity exists, let alone that it wrote a specific late 1st/early 2nd century Christian apocalyptic work.
2. Babylon the Great has not been destroyed yet.
There is no rational basis for concluding that the superstitious expectations offered in the story would ever actually eventuate.
121
Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Fisherman:
Fallacy. Rome was an Empire
Not only does the poor doofus not know what a fallacy is, but apparently also doesn’t realise that Rome was the capital city of the Roman Empire.
349
Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.
Jeffro

‘scholar’:
The date 1914 CE is based on solid exegesis
There is something ‘solid’ that the JW 1914 doctrine could be said to be based on 💩 , but it’s not ‘exegesis’. 😂
121
Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Fisherman:
The allusion “disgusting thing” is idolatry or the practice of idolatry, and the mother of that cannot be secular which the bible depicts as male.
Nonsense, as usual. The JW interpretation of ‘disgusting thing’ as ‘idolatry’ has no basis in the text. (In Daniel, the ‘disgusting thing’ was the desecration of the temple by Antiochus IV, specifically with pork. In Revelation, the “disgusting thing’ was the Roman armies in Jerusalem. Neither of these are ‘idols’.) The notion that ‘secular’ is ‘male’ is also nonsense (for example, the city of Tyre is depicted as female in Isaiah).
121
Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

🤦‍♂️
Neither was it the mother of all disgusting things of the earth as I have explained
You know it’s a metaphor right? 😂
121
Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Fisherman:
In Revelation 16:19 she is described as a city of the nations and not identified as a nation or an empire
You couldn’t be more wrong. 😆 Rome was specifically a city that governed an empire with authority over its various client kingdoms. The description in Revelation very accurately describes first century Rome.
121
Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Fisherman:
Given the book of Revelation is from God, it is non sequitur that the BTG was Rome because Rome was not destroyed like BTG,
Nope. Begging the question. No reason whatsoever to preemptively grant that the book is magical.
121
Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Additionally, the 'woman' representing Jerusalem that fled to the 'wilderness' is later depicted in Revelation as the 'bride' and identified as both "Jerusalem" and "New Jerusalem" (Revelation 21:1-2, 9-10), and clearly is not the same as 'Babylon the Great', which was by that time meant to have been destroyed.
121
Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Jeffro

Vanderhoven7:
The "Woman" of Revelation, who is the "Great City" that "reigns over the Kings of the Earth" can only be Jerusalem.
Entirely wrong. Despite all of the tedious cherry picking and wishy thinking, Babylon the Great definitely referred to 1st century Rome, 'a city with a kingdom over other kings' that 'sits on 7 hills'. Additionally, Jerusalem didn't have any remarkable status with the 'merchants'.
There are two 'women' and two 'great cities' in Revelation. The 'great city'/'woman' in chapters 11 and 12 (Jerusalem, where Jesus was executed, and which purportedly 'gave birth' to the 'kingdom') parallels the other 'great city'/'woman' (Rome) in chapters 16-18. In the story, it was expected that retribution would be brought against the latter great city (Rome) after the destruction of Jerusalem (i.e. the 'great tribulation', which explicitly happens prior to Jesus' 'presence', whereas the destruction of 'Babylon the Great' was expected to happen after Jesus' 'presence' began).
Despite the intentional ambiguity of apocalyptic literature, this isn't really that complicated. It is essentially because the superstitions of 1st-century Christians were simply wrong that people are so desperate to make up alternatives.