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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Jeffro

  'scholar':

  Prove me wrong. Show me where in his book where he discusses the subject of the Jewish Exile for it is not even discussed as a heading in his Subject Index where it should occur.

  It is, of course, a lie that Jonsson doesn't acknowledge the exile. Both the main exile in 597 BCE and the exile at the time of Jerusalem's destruction in 587 BCE (e.g., page 222, footnote 37) are mentioned throughout, but since the 70 years was not a period of exile, it isn't necessary for Jonsson to discuss the exile as the focus of his book.

  Now, the lying 'scholar' probably knows full well that Jonsson does indeed repeatedly refer to the exile, and could be naively thinking that because I said several years ago that I hadn't read Jonsson's book, that I should therefore not know what is in it. Thinking I couldn't have read the book since then would obviously be quite daft.
  
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  349

  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  I've already shown you to be a liar. You may go now.
  
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  349

  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  Fisherman:

  Was 70 CE not year 70 either?

  Red herring. “70 CE” isn’t mentioned in the Bible, and wasn’t called that at the time. The fact that the year Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans later came to be called 70 is a coincidence.

  How many years exactly did the land not keep Sabbath is not known but the sentence imposed was 70 years of desolation so the land could rest.

  Your interpretation of the verse regarding how paying sabbaths relates to exile is entirely wrong as explained here.

  537BCE+70=607BCE,

  Jeremiah explicitly identifies the 70 years as a period of nations serving Babylon, not a period of exile. He also says exile was a punishment for refusing to serve Babylon rather than what ‘serving Babylon’ means. And he also says attention would be given to the Jews’ return only after the 70 years had already ended. And 2 Chronicles says servitude to Babylon ended when Persia began to reign. But you don’t actually care what the Bible says.

  assuming 537 marks the end of the desolation

  The Jews returned in 538, not 537. The fact that you need to ‘assume’ otherwise is very telling. 😂
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  349

  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  Scholars do accept the reality of the Jewish Exile

  Red herring. It is uncontested that there was an exile (the most significant one in early 597bce followed by the one at the time of Jerusalem’s destruction in 587bce).

  which is usually believed to be that biblical period of 70 years

  That is not at all the prevailing view, including among Jewish scholars. It is a theological assertion only, and one that is not supported by what the Bible actually says.

  but there are others and in particular, Carl Jonsson and others of his ilk, who in his thesis

  irrelevant ad hominem.

  omits any mention or reference to that Exile which absence demolishes his thesis.

  Liar. Neither Jonsson nor anyone else says there ‘was no exile’. All relevant sources acknowledge the main exile in early 597bce and the later deportation in 587bce.
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  😂 🤦‍♂️

  It remains a fact that the Bible does not mention an exile of 70 years.
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  ‘scholar’:

  The Bible describes in detail by means of history and prophecy of the Jewish Exile which the major Exilic scholar -Rainer Albertz describes it as' catastrophic'. Further, Lamentations in the OT describes it also in great detail.

  😂 This is the level of ‘rigour’ I’ve come to expect from ‘scholar’. A good old ‘bait and switch’. The fact that the Jews were exiled at all is uncontested, and you are an academically dishonest fool for trying to conflate the fact that it happened with an unsupported duration. 🤦‍♂️ The Bible never mentions a 70 year exile.
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

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  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

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  Fisherman:

  but looking at the book as if it is inspired

  If you want to start with that premise, provide direct evidence that a deity exists and that it is the one you prefer, and also provide a definition and evidence of a specific mechanism for ‘inspiration’. Also clearly indicate the different specific mechanism involved in being ‘spirit directed’.

  Until you do that, your tedious circular reasoning is entirely irrational.
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  349

  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  The one with the pretty charts.

  Dismissively referring to ‘pretty charts’ because he can’t actually identify specific errors. 🤦‍♂️ Not that I think it’s not possible there are errors, but all JW nutters can point to is their nutty dogma and not what the Bible actually says. 😂

  (The ‘pretty charts’ he refers to can be found at https://jeffro77.wordpress.com/ under Timelines.)
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  'scholar':

  Jonsson's thesis fails

  Wrong. 'scholar' attempts to reduce the evidence to merely 'Jonsson's thesis', but all of the scholarly consensus and my own independent analysis agrees with the very well established history of the Neo-Babylonian period.
  

  because it misinterprets the 'seventy years of Jeremiah'

  Wrong. 'the seventy years of Jeremiah' is explicitly a period of nations serving Babylon (Jeremiah 25:11-12), with exile directly stated as a punishment only for nations that refused to serve Babylon (Jeremiah 27:8-11), which explicitly ends prior to attention being given to the Jews' return (Jeremiah 29:10-14).
  

  and of the historical fact of the Jewish Exile which lasted for 70 years

  Wrong. The Bible doesn't even mention 70 years of exile.
  

  -ended in 537 BCE,

  Wrong. The 70 years ended in 539 BCE when Babylon was conquered by Cyrus (2 Chronicles 36:20), and the Jews who returned to build the temple foundations arrived there in 538 BCE.
  

  therefore, it must have begun in 607 BCE.

  Wrong wrongedy wrong wrong. Wrong at every turn.

  (To Fisherman) Absolutely correct for the shoe fits perfectly.

  You doofuses deserve each other. 😂
  
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  121

  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  Fisherman:

  1. The author of Revelation is God

  There is no evidence that a deity exists, let alone that it wrote a specific late 1st/early 2nd century Christian apocalyptic work.

  2. Babylon the Great has not been destroyed yet.

  There is no rational basis for concluding that the superstitious expectations offered in the story would ever actually eventuate.