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  Faithful & Discreet Slave - 72 years ago!

  by BoogerMan in

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  it was every jw taking part in the preaching work.

  lol.. (matthew 24:45) “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?.

  w50 7/1 p. 199 par.

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  Jeffro

  BoogerMan:

  It was every JW taking part in the preaching work. LOL.

  No, you’ve made a false equivocation, based on misconstruing who they identified as the ‘domestics’.

  https://jeffro77.wordpress.com/index/pure-worship-ezekiel-revisited-part-2/#FDS
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  Anthony Morris responds to Norway's denial of financial aid

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  https://direkte.vg.no/nyhetsdognet/news/jehovas-vitner-nektes-statsstoette.5z-pnao3e?utm_source=share-btn.

  08:20 27.1.kristoffer solberg.

  jehovah's witnesses denied state aid.

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  "more than 200 lands"🤦‍♂️Why do they do this to themselves? 😂 This reminds me of the terribly awkward exchange in the Australian Royal Commission where Spinks(?) is asked to define a 'land'. They are actually recognised in 162 countries (and clearly they are not "recognized as law-abiding citizens" in other countries where their activities are illegal).
  
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

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  Fisherman:

  Immaterial deflection.

  Your skills at identifying what is and is not relevant and also of fallacies are remarkably deficient.
  

  The subject matter here is 70 years in Babylon

  Actually, the subject matter is the 'faithful and discreet slave', though the JW drivel about 607 is foundational to their interpretations about that subject.
  

  which Zechariah confirms.

  Wrong. Zechariah doesn't refer to 70 years of exile at all, nor to Babylon's 70 years. Zechariah (7:1-7) refers to annual fasts in the 5th and 7th months, which by the 9th month of Darius' 4th year (518 BCE) had been held for 70 years. This places the first year of those fasts in 587 BCE when Jerusalem was destroyed.
  

  537+70= 607 —If you forgot the subject.

  The Jews arrived in Jerusalem in 538 BCE rather than 537 so you're wrong there anyway, but that was only after Babylon was called to account in 539 BCE when the 70 years actually ended (Jeremiah 25:12). 539+70=609, which is the year that Babylon destroyed Assyria's final capital at Harran (compare Ezekiel 27:2, 23; Isaiah 23:13-15).

  You can go now too.
  
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  Poor doofus. I know you’re too far gone to see beyond your indoctrination. I comment on your nonsense for the benefit of other readers or as it amuses me. As you’ve been sufficiently trounced, you can go now.
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  😂
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  'scholar':

  The subject of the Jewish Exile is uncontested by scholars especiallt Jewish scholars but remains unknown amongst WT critics and Carl Jonsson

  Trying to imply that Jewish scholars support a 70 year exile is such an obvious lie. 🤦‍♂️ Jewish Virtual Library:

  The Chaldeans, following standard Mesopotamian practice, deported the Jews after they had conquered Jerusalem in 597 BC. The deportations were large, but certainly didn't involve the entire nation. Somewhere around 10,000 people were forced to relocate to the city of Babylon, the capital of the Chaldean empire. In 586 BC, Judah itself ceased to be an independent kingdom, and the earlier deportees found themselves without a homeland, without a state, and without a nation.

  (Note that Jewish tradition places the destruction in 586 BCE, however, 587 BCE is the correct year. See 586 or 587?)
  
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  'scholar':

  Prove me wrong. Show me where in his book where he discusses the subject of the Jewish Exile for it is not even discussed as a heading in his Subject Index where it should occur.

  It is, of course, a lie that Jonsson doesn't acknowledge the exile. Both the main exile in 597 BCE and the exile at the time of Jerusalem's destruction in 587 BCE (e.g., page 222, footnote 37) are mentioned throughout, but since the 70 years was not a period of exile, it isn't necessary for Jonsson to discuss the exile as the focus of his book.

  Now, the lying 'scholar' probably knows full well that Jonsson does indeed repeatedly refer to the exile, and could be naively thinking that because I said several years ago that I hadn't read Jonsson's book, that I should therefore not know what is in it. Thinking I couldn't have read the book since then would obviously be quite daft.
  
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  I've already shown you to be a liar. You may go now.
  
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

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  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  Fisherman:

  Was 70 CE not year 70 either?

  Red herring. “70 CE” isn’t mentioned in the Bible, and wasn’t called that at the time. The fact that the year Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans later came to be called 70 is a coincidence.

  How many years exactly did the land not keep Sabbath is not known but the sentence imposed was 70 years of desolation so the land could rest.

  Your interpretation of the verse regarding how paying sabbaths relates to exile is entirely wrong as explained here.

  537BCE+70=607BCE,

  Jeremiah explicitly identifies the 70 years as a period of nations serving Babylon, not a period of exile. He also says exile was a punishment for refusing to serve Babylon rather than what ‘serving Babylon’ means. And he also says attention would be given to the Jews’ return only after the 70 years had already ended. And 2 Chronicles says servitude to Babylon ended when Persia began to reign. But you don’t actually care what the Bible says.

  assuming 537 marks the end of the desolation

  The Jews returned in 538, not 537. The fact that you need to ‘assume’ otherwise is very telling. 😂
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  Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

  by Godlyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

  estephan.

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  Scholars do accept the reality of the Jewish Exile

  Red herring. It is uncontested that there was an exile (the most significant one in early 597bce followed by the one at the time of Jerusalem’s destruction in 587bce).

  which is usually believed to be that biblical period of 70 years

  That is not at all the prevailing view, including among Jewish scholars. It is a theological assertion only, and one that is not supported by what the Bible actually says.

  but there are others and in particular, Carl Jonsson and others of his ilk, who in his thesis

  irrelevant ad hominem.

  omits any mention or reference to that Exile which absence demolishes his thesis.

  Liar. Neither Jonsson nor anyone else says there ‘was no exile’. All relevant sources acknowledge the main exile in early 597bce and the later deportation in 587bce.