if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
peacefulpete:
IMO the point in discussion is whether a precise start and end date are required.
Sure. But the plain reading of the texts are compatible with specific periods in a manner that is entirely mundane. punkofnice said that he regards the whole Bible as ‘fairy tales’ (a fallacy of composition). In reality, the Bible includes some history (albeit biased and placed in a theological context) in addition to other parts that are not historical.
For example, Babylon is known to have been conquered in 539 BCE. It is also known that Assyria disappears from history after it was conquered by Babylon at Harran in 609 BCE. That is an entirely reasonable reckoning of ‘Babylon’s 70 years’. And we know these texts were heavily edited after the original writing, so it is unremarkable that this could be worked into Jeremiah’s text at the close of the exile.
Similarly, the direct reading of the period in Zechariah specifically refers to 70 years of fasts by the time of Darius’ 4th year, which is precisely consistent with those fasts beginning in 587BCE.
No abstruse symbolism, no changing or ignoring parts of the text to make up what the author ‘really’ meant, no appeals to magical thinking.
But even if they are just intended as symbolic or as approximations (that just happen to match up with known events), it still isn’t a period of exile, and JWs are still entirely wrong. Including all of their claims about the FDS which are contingent on 607 being correct.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
‘scholar’:
Scholar just cannot help himself
More true than he realises 🤦♂️
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
It is not necessary to pander to your specific demands. Even I provide the specific dates (which are already in the relevant passages), you will still cling to your dogmatic nonsense anyway.
Honest readers can refer to other pages on the site above for additional information, including the date of Jerusalem’s destruction and all other pertinent details. I will also respond to questions from people who can engage honestly and respectfully.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
‘scholar’:
My question is that if this 70-year period of fasting began with a definite event such as the destruction of Jerusalem then what event marked its ending in 518 BCE?
The ‘event’ was that it was then that Sharezer and Regem-Melek asked the question. It is directly stated in the passage. Some people really are thick. Your question implies that you think that some remarkable things should happen beyond simply asking about the fasts, probably for some weird religious symbolism or some other superstitious ‘significance’. 🤦♂️
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
‘scholar’:
In short. what your interpretation means is that the 70 years of Zechariah was a period of 'fastings' only and is a separate period to that of Jeremiah's 70 years both separate periods have different beginnings and endings and run parallel to each other in the course of Jewish history.
Your waffling circumlocutory aside, it is indeed a separate period. It’s not really ‘my interpretation’, it is clearly indicated in Zechariah 7:1-7. It specifically indicates 70 years of fasting that had continued until Darius’ 4th year (518 BCE). So it obviously isn’t referring to Babylon’s 70 years that ended decades earlier in 539 BCE. And of course it’s not referring to a nonexistent ‘70-year exile’ found nowhere in the Bible. It’s only nutty religious types like yourself who are desperate for it to mean something other than what it directly states. 😂
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
‘scholar’:
which cannot be figured precisely as to the ending of Zechariah's 70 years claimed to be from 587-520-515 BCE.Go figure!
More dishonest misdirection from the inept self-styled ‘scholar’ 😂. Zechariah’s 70 years is a clearly defined period that had not yet ended in 519 but had ended by the 9th month of 518 BCE, marking exactly 70 years of fasting since Jerusalem’s destruction in 587 BCE. Poor ‘scholar’ can’t handle the elegant simplicity and therefore tries to claim some ambiguous range of dates. 🤦♂️
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
‘scholar’:
I set you a challenge and you are not up for it.
😂 Nothing you have ever offered on this forum has proved to be a ‘challenge’ for me and I don’t see that changing any time soon. Your tedious demands do not constitute a ‘challenge’, and your expectation that I need to ‘prove’ anything to you is a reflection of your inflated ego.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
‘scholar’:
Prove me wrong. List your argument for both texts and I will compare that with Jonsson's interpretation.
Fallacy: shifting the burden of proof. It may be that Jonsson has also correctly analysed the relevant verses, in which case his assessment may agree with mine. But mine was arrived at independently.
I have already provided links to my website that give sufficient details on all of the important aspects. It is not necessary to pander to special requests from you.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
🤦♂️
