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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

If it was in the 4th year- 518 BCE then why was avision received two years earlier.

Pointless misdirection indicating you don’t understand this type of literature. The author wasn’t writing a diary as it happened. It was all written later. The ‘vision’ is a narrative device framing the purpose of the period - that had not yet ended in early 519BCE - as ‘denunciation’. Chapter 7 is quite clear about the timing of when 70 years of fasting were reached.

the temple was completed in 515 BCE

I correctly state on that page that it was near rather than in the year the temple was completed. I also clearly state, as does Zechariah, that 70 years of fasting is reached in Darius’ 4th year. None of this is particularly difficult. I suppose I could simply omit the part about the temple as it seems to confuse some of the dimmer readers.

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

Jeffro

It is entirely mundane that two or more people saying something correct will say similar things.

Maybe ‘scholar’ can only get correct answers by copying. 😂 As far as neo-Babylonian chronology is concerned, he’s yet to provide any. He should stop copying from the dumb WTS kid next to him.

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

It is much the same with Jonsson's explanation which you have either directly or indirectly copied.

Luckily for you this continued libel is trivial. 😂

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️ I’m sorry that you’re too stupid to count back 70 years from Darius’ 4th year (518BCE). And I know you might struggle with the fact that 587-518 is a span of 70 years. I guess ‘pretty charts’ can only do so much for people with your inadequacies.

Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

Jeffro

peacefulpete:

IMO the point in discussion is whether a precise start and end date are required.

Sure. But the plain reading of the texts are compatible with specific periods in a manner that is entirely mundane. punkofnice said that he regards the whole Bible as ‘fairy tales’ (a fallacy of composition). In reality, the Bible includes some history (albeit biased and placed in a theological context) in addition to other parts that are not historical.

For example, Babylon is known to have been conquered in 539 BCE. It is also known that Assyria disappears from history after it was conquered by Babylon at Harran in 609 BCE. That is an entirely reasonable reckoning of ‘Babylon’s 70 years’. And we know these texts were heavily edited after the original writing, so it is unremarkable that this could be worked into Jeremiah’s text at the close of the exile.

Similarly, the direct reading of the period in Zechariah specifically refers to 70 years of fasts by the time of Darius’ 4th year, which is precisely consistent with those fasts beginning in 587BCE.

No abstruse symbolism, no changing or ignoring parts of the text to make up what the author ‘really’ meant, no appeals to magical thinking.

But even if they are just intended as symbolic or as approximations (that just happen to match up with known events), it still isn’t a period of exile, and JWs are still entirely wrong. Including all of their claims about the FDS which are contingent on 607 being correct.

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Scholar just cannot help himself

More true than he realises 🤦‍♂️

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

Jeffro

Zechariah 1

Zechariah 7

It is not necessary to pander to your specific demands. Even I provide the specific dates (which are already in the relevant passages), you will still cling to your dogmatic nonsense anyway.

Honest readers can refer to other pages on the site above for additional information, including the date of Jerusalem’s destruction and all other pertinent details. I will also respond to questions from people who can engage honestly and respectfully.

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

My question is that if this 70-year period of fasting began with a definite event such as the destruction of Jerusalem then what event marked its ending in 518 BCE?

The ‘event’ was that it was then that Sharezer and Regem-Melek asked the question. It is directly stated in the passage. Some people really are thick. Your question implies that you think that some remarkable things should happen beyond simply asking about the fasts, probably for some weird religious symbolism or some other superstitious ‘significance’. 🤦‍♂️

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by Godlyman in

if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

In short. what your interpretation means is that the 70 years of Zechariah was a period of 'fastings' only and is a separate period to that of Jeremiah's 70 years both separate periods have different beginnings and endings and run parallel to each other in the course of Jewish history.

Your waffling circumlocutory aside, it is indeed a separate period. It’s not really ‘my interpretation’, it is clearly indicated in Zechariah 7:1-7. It specifically indicates 70 years of fasting that had continued until Darius’ 4th year (518 BCE). So it obviously isn’t referring to Babylon’s 70 years that ended decades earlier in 539 BCE. And of course it’s not referring to a nonexistent ‘70-year exile’ found nowhere in the Bible. It’s only nutty religious types like yourself who are desperate for it to mean something other than what it directly states. 😂