if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Fisherman:
he ensured that his Word was completely fulfilled from his standpoint and not from a human standpoint .Hilarious watching these buffoons trying to justify their cognitive dissonance. š¤¦āāļø
That is why the beginning and end points of the 70 years from (his standpoint) could seem to mismatch what history or science thinks.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
'scholar':
The phrase 'at Babylon' in English has locative sense i.e. indicating a location or place.
š¤£ Yes, if you change the meaning of something expressed in a different language, then the thing you changed means something different to the original. Well done you. š¤¦āāļøIt's remarkably odd that you think this supports your position.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Fisherman:
Everything considered, wt interpretation based on 70 years ( FDS appointed circa 1919) has not been been debunked, ( if one is looking for relevancy of this subtopic ). We know that the FDS is not Judaism or Islam or other religions, it needs to be Christianity and since the churches of christendom failed to stop JW as hard as they tried, that eliminates christendom. 7x, 1914,1919, appointment of fds depends on 70 so that proves relevance.
Apart from the 'faithful slave' being from a Christian parable (rather than applying to some other religion), everything else you said here is nonsense. JWs are just another minor fringe Adventist Protestant denomination, rather than the uniquely hated group of global significance that you seem to imagine. The Bible Students' claim that the 'great tribulation' would break out suddenly in October of 1914 was entirely wrong (and Russell didn't believe that Satan was cast down to earth in 1914 or any other year). In the early 20th century, Russell said that if a European war were to break out, as had been expected since the late 19th century, that it wouldn't be the 'end' that they were expecting. Instead Russel expected a social upheaval rather than a world war to initiate the 'great tribulation'. Every aspect about what the Bible Students expected to happen in 1914 was wrong, but in their delusional pride they latched on to the wrong event in the wrong month and ran with it. See also 'sunk cost fallacy'.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
'scholar':
However, supporters of 538 BCE for the Return such as Jeffro, vale Alan F- May he rest in peace, Jonsson and others must have envisaged a 'Babylonian Highway (B1) from Babylon to Jerusalem complete with a mass transportation system such as rail, road or plane to make the return in such an impossible timeframe.
Nope. Yet another lie from the non-scholar. 4 months fits perfectly for the journey, though up to 6 months is possible depending on how early the 'decree' was made.
(In reality, Cyrus didn't make a unique decree just for the Jews, but had a general practice of allowing exiled peoples to return to their homelands to quell civil unrest, for the same reason that he attributed his capture of Babylon to their god Marduk. Because of Cyrus' reputation, it is possible - but not required - that such a release could have been anticipated even earlier than Cyrus' official accession in Nisan of 538.)
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
āscholarā:
'at Bbabylon' has a locative meaning in the sense of place or location and is similar to 'in Babylon'. However, most translations render the phrase as; 'for Babylon' which has a purposive meaning rather than a locative meaning. In either case, it shows that the Jews were exiled in Babylon and under Babylon's domination for the full period of 70 years.
Ok Furuliā¦ umā¦ I meanā¦ āscholarā š
That excuse is of course wrong. Itās dative and if it were locative, the exiles arenāt specified as the subject of the sentence anyway.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
āscholarā:
As one actor said: "Stop being a girlie man".
I see youāre using Watchtower style to clearly cite your sources. š
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
āscholarā:
I knew that so if that is the case then everything to do with Bible Chronology or Bible History can be discarded simply on the basis that you can pick and choose what facts or other information to accept or recognize .
To do so would be a fallacy of composition, and I have no need for resorting to such tactics. Unlike you, I consider all the relevant texts, their context, and what they actually say. You (parroting the Watch Tower Society), on the other hand, ignore inconvenient verses, read into texts what is not there, and completely distort the order of events.
The facts surrounding the composition of the book of Daniel are very well known, and the JW (Adventist) tradition is simply wrong.
watchtower has just lost its appeal in the norwegian courts over the withdrawal of the funding it receives from the government as an officially recognised religion.
the initial decision will now stand due to what the court termed 'exclusionary practices' which includes the witnesses barbaric practice of shunning minors, even by family members in their own homes.
the ministry of children and families have decided they are now no longer eligible for the state grant of 16 million norwegian kroner given to officially recognised religions.. the following is a statement has been issued, i have summarised if it isn't readable: .
Fisherman:
as a legitimate religion they do qualify for tax exempt status
Many governments do provide tax breaks to religious denominations, broadly with the view that those denominations provide charitable works (though that often isnāt the case). But there is no intrinsic obligation for individual governments to provide those tax exemptions, nor any requirement that illegal activity can be the only criterion that could disqualify a group from such exemptions.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
āscholarā:
In order to fulfill Jeremiah's prophecy and later confirmed by Ezra, the land had to be vacated by the seventh month in 607 BCE which began the 70 years of Exile- Servitude and Desolation.
This goes back to one of the questions already asked in this thread that āscholarā wonāt (canāt) answer. If 70 years ended when the Jews arrived in Jerusalem, in what way was attention subsequently given to their return?
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
āscholarā:
I have answered your question and now you complain like a girl.
Heās sexist too. š¤·āāļø Hardly a surprise from someone in a sexist organisation.
