The fact that Jesus’ coming/presence in the Bible explicitly follows the ‘great tribulation’ still seems to elude JWs. In reality, the ‘great tribulation’ culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70CE and Jesus was expected to return shortly thereafter, within a generation of his ‘ministry’. They were wrong and that’s all.
Posts by Jeffro
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89Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Jeffro
Vanderhoven7:
I wonder when the last mention was made of the 1874 second coming.
The latest explicit reference to Jesus' coming in 1874 that I've found is from Prophecy (1929), page 65:
The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D.
But it seems that it was actually changed at least as early as 1931 in Rutherford's The Kingdom (1931), page 57:
The 1 June 1931 issue of The Watch Tower (page 166) also refers to "the second coming of the Lord in 1914".In 1914 the Lord Jesus came the second time, and in 1918 began to
gather together his faithful followers.Where did the claim come from that it was only changed after Rutherford's death??
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Fisherman:
1914 is scripturally possible as JW claim. So at the very least, it is arguable.
No, it is in fact completely debunked, even from the perspective of accepting the Bible as an accurate religious text. Every aspect of the claim, from the illogical mangling of what the Bible says about Babylon’s 70 years and the separate exile, to the errant numerology incorrectly associating the ‘gentile times’ with an unrelated period in Daniel, to the misrepresentation of Neo-Babylonian history (for which we have continuous records of every year of the established history), to the fraudulent revisionism of what the Bible Students expected would happen in 1914. All completely wrong.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Fisherman:
No hard evidence could convince the Jews that Jesus is the Messiah.
Certainly not if the supposed genealogy in Matthew is to be believed 😂. Compare Matthew 1:11-12 and Jeremiah 22:28-30. Little wonder the alternative genealogy in Luke removed mention of Jeconiah (aka Jehoiachin). See also here.
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Jeffro
Actually, it was 1933… The Watchtower, 1 December 1933, page 362:The year 1914, therefore, marks the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, the King of glory.
(This was already correctly indicated on the Jehovah’s Witnesses and 1914 page but got missed in the Pure Worship review, which has been fixed.) -
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Beth Sarim:
Most JW's don't realize that up until after Rutherfords death in 1942, Christ's invisible parousia did NOT occur until 1914, that switch happened 2 years after the Judge's death in 1944.
I'm not sure where this claim comes from that the 'parousia' was only changed to 1914 in 1944. On my website, I have given the year of the change as 1935 (though I'm happy to correct this if someone knows of it being stated earlier).
The Golden Age, 10 April 1935, page 432:Because it is the reign of Christ Jesus that constitutes the Second Presence or Parousia, it would seem to be not improper to say that the Second Advent occurred on Lifeday, King 10, Edenic day No. 2170097, Y.R. 1882 (Thursday, October 1, A.D. 1914), under moon No. 73486.
It was again stated in 1940 before Rutherford's death. The Watchtower, 1 October 1940, page 294:
At the time of the coming of the Lord Jesus as King in 1914 all the religious organizations called ''Christendom" rejected Christ as King and insisted on the world's being ruled by selfish men.
The Truth Shall Make You Free (1943), page 324:
The King’s presence or parousia began in 1914, and then his appearing or epiphaneia at the temple came in 1918.
By 1943, '1874' was already 'the chronology' of 'the evil slave'. The Watchtower, 15 July 1943, page 217:
"That evil servant" means a class of men and women once servants of Jehovah God and associated with his visible organization. They once devoted themselves to God in consecration and were begotten of his spirit and taken into his household as spiritual sons and were for a time apparently faithful. But they do not endure to the end in God's service, and turn evil. At the time that the Lord begins judgment at the temple their evil conduct is exposed. So they manifest themselves from and after 1918. Their trouble begins with the heart, the seat of affection and motivation. (Prov. 4: 23) In the heart this class says: "My lord delayeth his coming." True, this class may claim to believe in Christ's invisible presence and that his presence, or parousia, began at 1874 according to their understanding of chronology.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Fisherman:
No hard evidence could convince the Jews that Jesus is the Messiah. They didn’t want it.
No evidence exists that Jesus was the messiah. That aside, even the Watch Tower Society says the entirely arbitrary claim of being ‘anointed’ can be based on mental or emotional imbalance. Hardly a reliable qualification. 😂
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jeffro
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jeffro
'scholar':
The attention given to the Exiles was their release from Exile by an official decree, returning home on time thus fulfilling the 70 years as prophesied and described in detail by the Chronicler.
Entirely invalid response (and there actually wasn't any special decree just for the Jews, Cyrus just had a general policy of allowing conquered people to follow their religious beliefs in order to quell civil unrest). Giving attention to their return before the end of the 70 years directly contradicts the direct statement at Jeremiah 29:10. But thanks for confirming once again that JWs don't really care what the Bible actually says when it disagrees with Watch Tower Society doctrine.
Just use your plain common sense and just read the text that is if you believe the text
It is not necessary to believe a text is true in order to assess what it says. However, the descriptions in Jeremiah of 70 years as a period during which the nations were subject to Babylon does nicely fit the period from the fall of Assyria in 609 BCE until the fall of Babylon in 539 BCE. And Jeremiah's further description of attention being given to the Jews' return after Babylon's 70 years also nicely fits the fact that some of the Jews returned to Jerusalem in 538 BCE after Persia began to reign and began work on the temple foundations in Cyrus' second year, 537 BCE.
or even the whole Bible for you have already discarded Daniel to the trash can.
Fallacy of composition.