i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
Fisherman:
I don’t think the Bible can be translated using strict rules of grammar alone. I think that the translator has a belief to begin with and the grammar conforms to that belief when interpreting and translating to another language. His belief is the rule or the guide and not the grammar.
Tell me you prefer doctrinal bias over accuracy without telling me you prefer doctrinal bias over accuracy. 😂
jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.
— luke 21:24 .
the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.
Vidqun:
Daniel, a contemporary of Ezekiel,
Nope. Daniel was written in the 2nd century BCE.
would predict a second destruction of Jerusalem and its temple, this time by the Romans:
Nope. The author of Daniel refers to oppression by Antiochus IV.
This fact Jesus would reiterate in his Olivet discourse:
Nope. The trope was reused in comments later attributed to Jesus, but it was not the original intent of Daniel.
So, the "times of the Gentiles" start in 70 CE.
Nope. The ‘times of the gentiles’ began with the Roman response to the Jewish revolt in 66CE and culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70CE. Revelation 11 explicitly gives the duration as 3.5 years.
The “appointed times of the nations” are to be fulfilled when Jesus, who has the legal right, receives his kingship, this time in a heavenly setting (cf. Dan. 7:13, 14; cf. Rev. 11:2, 15, 18).
Nope. As a descendant of Jeconiah, Jesus would not have the legal right to be king (Jeremiah 22:28-30).
jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.
— luke 21:24 .
the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.
It’s always funny watching believers trying to make the Bible fit their beliefs. Luke says the gentile times were future in Jesus’ time and Revelation says Jerusalem would be trampled by the nations for 3.5 years. But believers, desperate for it to be relevant now, ignore what the Bible actually says and make up all manner of nonsense.
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
🤦♂️ Even if God were behind the Bible, it still wouldn’t be evidence of support for your chosen denomination. And you haven’t even gotten past square one of establishing that God even exists.
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
Fisherman:
Any written statement such as laws or Scripture can be interpreted more than one way.
So, what you’re saying is, the Bible is essentially a useless ‘choose your own adventure’.
jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.
— luke 21:24 .
the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.
Linda14:
Granted, that city is the capital where rulers sat, and those were said to seat on Jehovah's throne
Actually, only Solomon is described as ‘sitting on Jehovah’s throne’.
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
Fisherman:
2 Chronicles 36:20,21 — 20 He carried off captive to Babylon those who escaped the sword, and they became servants to him and his sons until the kingdom of Persia began to reign, 21 to fulfill Jehovah’s word spoken by Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath, to fulfill 70 years.🤦♂️ The inserted phrase “until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath,” isn’t “the word spoken by Jeremiah” at all, it is from Leviticus 26:34–35.
It is not that complicated.
But what this passage does say is that the Jews served Babylon for 70 years “until the kingdom of Persia began to reign”, which was quite definitely in 539 BCE, and began when Babylon replaced Assyria in 609 BCE. All the nations ‘served Babylon’ for 70 years, but they didn’t all go into exile, and submitting to Babylon during its 70 years was explicitly the way to avoid exile (Jeremiah 27:8-11).
The parenthetical statement from Leviticus adds that the land was also desolate while the land paid its sabbaths, but Leviticus 25:8 associates this separate period with 49 years, not 70. This was from Jerusalem’s destruction in 587 BCE until some of the Jews returned in 538 BCE.
It’s really not that complicated, but it is quite dishonest to falsely attribute statements to Jeremiah that are actually from Leviticus.
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
‘scholar’:
If there were no exiles then what are the deportations and into what?
Are you drunk? Jeremiah 25:8-12 doesn’t mention any deportations. But there were deportations in early 597 BCE (when most were taken into exile and Zedekiah was appointed, and is regarded as the beginning of ‘the exile’ as clearly evidenced by Ezekiel 40:1), 587 BCE (when Jerusalem was destroyed), and 582 BCE. (Jeremiah 52:28-30) Why do you feign ignorance about ‘three exiles’. Are you really that unfamiliar with the subject?
Also, some parts of Judea remained populated throughout the entire period.
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
‘scholar’:
What you are saying is that there was no conquest of Jerusalem by Neb, no deportation of the Jews from Judah to Babylon, no Return of the Jews from Babylon and that the 70 years was a mythical number.
Worst. Straw man. Ever. You’re such a liar.
What I actually said was:
Beyond that, Babylon definitively removed Assyria in 609 BCE, and was dominant until it was conquered by Persia in 539 BCE, which neatly corresponds to the nations serving Babylon for 70 years. When did Babylon’s 70 years begin?Most of the Jews were exiled in early 597 BCE. Others were exiled when Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BCE. And more were taken in 582 BCE. But there was no ‘70 years of exile’ at all.
Why do you keep pretending you’ve never been told this all before? 😂
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
Unable to find any support in the Bible for 70 years of exile, the inept ‘scholar’ instead alludes to the fact that the Jews were exiled at all. Pathetic.
Most of the Jews were exiled in early 597 BCE. Others were exiled when Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BCE. And more were taken in 582 BCE. But there was no ‘70 years of exile’ at all.
