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  How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

  by psyco in

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  i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

  thanks..

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  ‘scholar’:

  How can you be definite that a definite or precise date such as 607 BCE is wrong when you cannot offer up any other precise alternative?

  Argument from ignorance. Even if the exact year were not known it doesn’t mean that whatever nonsense is offered instead must be correct.

  But the exact year is known anyway. It was 587 BCE. No study of the subject in the last 60 years has offered any basis for 586 BCE as the correct year and various studies have specified 587 BCE as the correct year. The fact that some sources simply repeat Thiele’s dating from the 1940s (based on Ussher’s even earlier work) is irrelevant misdirection.
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  How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

  by psyco in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

  thanks..

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  Funny how all the evidence ‘must’ be wrong because of an interpretation that isn’t directly stated anywhere. 🤦‍♂️
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  How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

  by psyco in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

  thanks..

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  Fisherman:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6597071495233536/how-debunk-1914-calculus-only-using-jw-publications#6304936434860032
  

  [The Bible] does [mention 70 years of exile].

  Wow. Even more of an outright liar than ‘scholar’.
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  How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

  by psyco in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

  thanks..

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  Jeffro

  🤦‍♂️ round and round we go

  The Jews arrived in 538 BCE based on comparison of Ezra and Josephus. In any case there’s no basis for the dogmatic claim that it was 537 BCE.

  Attention to the Jews’ return world explicitly be given after Babylon’s 70 years had been fulfilled.

  Serving Babylon was explicitly the way to avoid exile.

  The Bible never mentions 70 years of exile.
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  Jehovah Will Help You Deal With Life’s Uncertainties

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  library.

  magazines.

  the watchtower—study edition | april 2023. study article 17. jehovah will help you deal with life’s uncertainties.

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  Unverifiable anecdote is unverifiable
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  Daniel Made Simple!

  by Leolaia in

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  the large horn on the goat is the first king of greece (8:21), obviously alexander the great.

  after his death, alexander?s kingdom was divided among four of his generals (8:22).

  the high priest), and further causes the daily sacrifices to cease, and the sanctuary to be defiled (8:11).

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  Jeffro

  Always first-class material from Leolaia!

  For Daniel made more simple, see also Daniel’s dreams and visions.
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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

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  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  Vidqun:

  Fisherman, I prefer Jesus' interpretation.

  *The interpretation later attributed to Jesus.

  Jesus warned: When one catches sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, “standing in a holy place,” “standing where it ought not,” then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains

  This interpretation, attributed to Jesus after Jerusalem’s destruction, is called an analogy.
  
  
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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

  by EmptyInside in

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  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  Fisherman:

  Besides cut and paste, unlike TD, you’ve never translated anything it seems.

  So? JWs just parrot dogma without consulting so much as a concordance. I have a better understanding of and more honest approach to the concept than you. 😂
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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

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  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  Jeffro

  Even without considering the superstition involved in extending the period to the modern era, Revelation 11:2 specifies the length of the ‘gentile times’ as 3.5 years.

  Also, Luke was written before 132, and there is no reason to suppose the book is magical.
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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

  by EmptyInside in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  Fisherman:

  I don’t think the Bible can be translated using strict rules of grammar alone. I think that the translator has a belief to begin with and the grammar conforms to that belief when interpreting and translating to another language. His belief is the rule or the guide and not the grammar.

  Tell me you prefer doctrinal bias over accuracy without telling me you prefer doctrinal bias over accuracy. 😂