Posts by Jeffro

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Babylon's 70 years could not have ended in 539 BCE for the conditions of its fulfilment were that Jeremiah's prophecy describing the 70 years was that there be a desolation of the land of Judah, a period of servitude to Babylon along with being an exile in Babylon.

And, obviously he was also wrong again there too. Aside from the fact that Jeremiah explicitly defines the 70 years as a period during which the nations served Babylon rather than a period of Jewish exile, and that exile was only a punishment for refusing to serve Babylon “in their own land” (Jeremiah 27:8-11), and never mentioning ‘70 years of exile’ at all, Daniel and 2 Chronicles both unambiguously indicate when Babylon was ‘called to account’ by the Persians. Jeremiah further explicitly stated in chapter 29 that attention would be given to the Jews’ return only after Babylon’s 70 years had ended. Additionally, Jeremiah (29:10) and Daniel (9:2) both indicate that Jerusalem’s desolation would be complete (Strong’s H4390) at the end of 70 years, not that it was desolate for 70 years. And not to mention the fact that some parts of Judea actually remained populated throughout the whole period anyway (“The Babylonian Gap”, Ephraim Stern, Biblical Archaeology Review, 26:6, November/December 2000).

So much for ‘scholar’s’ ‘superior Bible teaching’. 😂

362

Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

OK So What was the significance and meaning of the 'seven times' applicable to Neb or is this also fiction or myth?

Notice how the inept so-called ‘scholar’ attempted to divert attention from the fact that there isn’t actually any time during Nebuchadnezzar's reign to place 7 years of inactivity.

362

Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Unlike you, JWs at least teach both publicly and privately as superior Bible teachers.

Peddling false hope by making superstitious claims, cherry picking, taking verses out of context, distorting the order of events, and dogmatically asserting things that are not stated in the Bible is not ‘superior Bible teaching’.

362

Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

Given the intent and time of writing of Daniel, it is, of course, not necessary at all that the story would actually have any relevance to Nebuchadnezzar. Instead, Nebuchadnezzar is used as a literary device. Rather than being any kind of historical account, the story borrows elements from the Prayer of Nabonidus, but the story adds and changes various details for its own purposes.

In the broader context of Daniel, the significance of the ‘seven times’ actually alludes to the 49 (7 x 7) years from Jerusalem’s destruction (587 BCE) until the Jews were allowed to return to Jerusalem (538 BCE). The same period is referenced in Leviticus 25-26, and also corresponds to the ‘7 weeks’ of the 70 weeks of Daniel chapter 9.

Notably, the ‘jubilee year’ concept described in Leviticus falls not on the 49th year but the subsequent 50th year, corresponding to starting work on the temple foundations in 537BCE. Significantly, other than the oblique reference to the period from 587BCE until 537BCE in Leviticus (which scholars recognise was completed during the Persian period), the Bible never once mentions any year as a jubilee year, and there is no evidence that jubilee years were ever actually practiced.

362

Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

🤣

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

OK So What was the significance and meaning of the 'seven times' applicable to Neb or is this also fiction or myth?

Poor ‘scholar’ still doesn’t understand the book of Daniel. So much for JWs being such great ‘Bible teachers’. 😂

Daniel’s dreams and visions

362

Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

'scholar':

Poor old Neb was in the looney bin for seven literal years learning a valuable lesson about God's Kingdom of both literal and figurative application.

Wrong as usual. There isn't even a suitable time during Nebuchadnezzar's reign to place 7 years of inactivity.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Jeffro keeps reasserting his already debunked argument by “Scholar”.

Citation needed. 🤣

'scholar':

Not so for it is a theological and historical reality concerning the end of the 70 years of desolation in 537 BCE.

It is true that 'the land of the Chaldeans' is still populated to this day and the 'prophecy' of Babylon's desolation—to the extent that it would remain uninhabited—was a failure. But Babylon's 70 years quite definitely ended when it was conquered by Persia in 539BCE. But thanks once again to 'scholar' (and Fisherman) for showing that JWs don't actually care what the Bible says when it contradicts their end-times dogma.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

I don’t think it is possible for wt to be wrong about a 70 year desolation ending in 537.

🤣 what a farce.

Jeremiah 25:12: “‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah, ‘and I will make the land of the Chal·deʹans a desolate wasteland for all time.

Daniel 5:26–30: “This is the interpretation of the words: MEʹNE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end. 27 “TEʹKEL, you have been weighed in the balances and found lacking. 28 “PEʹRES, your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and the Persians.” 29 Then Bel·shazʹzar gave the command, and they clothed Daniel with purple and placed a gold necklace around his neck; and they heralded concerning him that he was to become the third ruler in the kingdom. 30 That very night Bel·shazʹzar the Chal·deʹan king was killed.

607 for Beginners

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ChatGPT analysis - Pure Worship

by Jeffro in

i provided chatgpt the text of the introductory ‘letter’ in pure worship, without any commentary to affect the context, and asked it to point out any errors, fallacies or other issues….

as an ai language model, i strive to be neutral and provide information without bias.

however, there are a few things in the text that could be considered fallacies or issues, such as:1. appeal to emotion: the text uses emotional language such as "thrilled" and "exciting" to describe the reaction of those who received the book.

Jeffro

Simon:

It isn't intelligent, it' just regurgitates the crap it's seen with no rational or critical thought.
Just like a leftist.

… he said, parroting Fox.