for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
‘scholar’:
The said scholar can see and feel the fuzziness!!! LOL!!
If only there were a way of determining which of the events was 70 years before 539BCE. 🤦♂️ I’ll give you a clue. It’s the one about which Insight definitively said “the Assyrian Empire had ended”.
Now… when were those 7 years of Nebuchadnezzar’s alleged insanity? Remember, no ‘fuzziness’…
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
‘scholar’:
What is the point of scholar doing better when you are convinced that Neb's dreams are fictional?
See how the apologist makes up trite excuses for not being able to provide specific details but demands specific details from others. Despite the fact that I even provided details of his own denomination’s position that showed him to be wrong.
See also 1 Peter 3:15.
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
‘scholar’:
common sense would dictate that the 70 years would have not some 'fuzzy' beginning but a distinct event in terms of history and chronology
Insight on the Scriptures, vol. 1, p. 205:
The Babylonian Chronicle B.M. (British Museum) 21901 recounts the fall of Nineveh … Ashur-uballit was trying to reconquer [Harran] after having been driven out. This record is in harmony with the account relative to the activity of Pharaoh Nechoh recorded at 2 Kings 23:29, which activity resulted in the death of King Josiah of Judah (c. 629 B.C.E.). This text states that “Pharaoh Nechoh the king of Egypt came up to the king of Assyria by the river Euphrates”—evidently to help him. “The king of Assyria” to whom Nechoh came may well have been Ashur-uballit II. Their campaign against Haran did not succeed. The Assyrian Empire had ended.
Note that JW literature calls it 629BCE because of their broken chronology, but it actually identifies the specific event in 609BCE when Babylon completely conquered Assyria, exactly 70 years before Babylon was itself conquered.
Now… when were those 7 years of Nebuchadnezzar’s alleged insanity? Remember, no ‘fuzziness’…
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
‘scholar’:
common sense would dictate that the 70 years would have not some 'fuzzy' beginning but a distinct event in terms of history and chronology
Also ‘scholar’:
I would suggest that the vacancy must have occurred SOON after 607 BCE which was Neb's 18th regnal year.‘Fuzzy’, and wrong even in the context of JW chronology.
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
‘scholar’:
I would suggest that the vacancy must have occurred SOON after 607 BCE which was Neb's 18th regnal year.
🤦♂️ So much for being a ‘scholar’. According to the mangling of Daniel by the Watch Tower Society, Nebuchadnezzar didn’t even know Daniel could interpret dreams until 606BCE, and the alleged fulfilment of the dream in chapter 4 supposedly happened 12 months after the dream. Even if one supposes that the dream of chapter 4 was around the same time as the one in chapter 2, JW chronology wouldn’t allow the fulfilment of the dream in chapter 4 to be any earlier than 605BCE (585BCE in actual chronology), but this was during the siege on Tyre and 3 years before additional Jews were taken into exile (Jeremiah 52:30). (Back in reality, both stories about Nebuchadnezzar’s dreams are fictional, and use tropes as analogies.)
Do better, ‘scholar’.
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Nope, definitely no ‘obvious second fulfilment’. But perhaps ‘scholar’ can quote specific parts and show how it is so evident.
(See also The Watch Tower Society’s 2014 attempt to defend 1914.)
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.
why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?
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Revelation 20:
JWs say people are resurrected during the 1000 years but the Bible says people are resurrected only before or after the 1000 years.
JWs say the nations are destroyed at Armageddon, but the Bible says Satan is locked away so he can’t mislead the nations during the 1000 years.
JWs say the 144,000 rule during the 1000 years but it is actually the great crowd that the Bible identifies as ruling for 1000 years (whereas the 144,000 rule forever).
JWs say scrolls are opened during the 1000 years but the Bible says the scrolls are opened after the 1000 years ended.
here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.
why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?
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There are many scriptures that are not compatible with JW beliefs, across many topics.
Just a couple regarding holy spirit: Despite Jehovah’s Witnesses’ insistence that the “holy spirit” is ‘God’s power in action’, Acts 19:2–3 says some disciples of John the Baptist were entirely unaware of the existence of the “holy spirit”, and 2 Corinthians 6:6–7 indicates that “holy spirit” is something distinct from “God’s power”.
