Posts by Jeffro

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

The said scholar loves those 'trumpet blasts'

🤦‍♂️ you sound like Smeagol.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Furuli has discussed the planetary observations in great detail and has published his findings on their relevance to VAT 4956 and has found that "not completely correct, there are good reasons to believe that they represent backward calculations by an astrologer who believed that 568/7 was year 37 for Nebuchadnezzer"

Not only is Furuli’s claim a dishonest attempt to disguise the fact that the lunar and planetary observations fit 568BCE, but this also contradicts ‘scholar’s’ previous claim that Furuli had shown that the planetary observations fit 588BCE. 🤦‍♂️

an astrologer who believed that 568/7 was year 37 for Nebuchadnezzer

Well isn’t that convenient? 😂 As it happens, the ‘astrologer’ (likely intended as ad hominem to discredit the source material) was right about 568BCE being Nebuchadnezzar’s 37th year, as all the contemporaneous cuneiform records also attest.

The elaborate excuse invented by Furuli is complete nonsense.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

Jorden:

And also, just to note that with your answer that the 42-months were from Oct 1914 - Mar 1918, you are saying that Jerusalem was trampled on by the nations for 2,520 years (607-1914) and just when the appointed time ended for them to stop being trampled on, instead the trampling continued 42-months additional until 1918.

🤦‍♂️ (The facepalm is for ‘scholar’.)

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Utter nonsense. Scholars today currently endorse 586 BCE rather than 587 BCE

587BCE is preferred among secular sources. 586BCE is preferred by sources simply relying on traditions rather than the specific evidence. No modern analysis of the chronology prefers 586 over 587.

Such business documents necessitate the converting of any regnal data into a modern-day calendar and are subject to a 'fine tuning' in order o accommodate a 'twenty-year gap in the NB Period.

This drivel is nothing more than wishful thinking. The period is very solidly established and confirmed by astronomical observations.

Rolf Furuli has researched this subject and proved that both the planetary observations along with the lunar observations are a better fit for 588 BCE rather than 568 BCE. Furuli is the only scholar to date that has researched and examined VAT 4956 since Neugebauer and Weidner, 1915.

😂 Furuli. 😂 He quite definitely has not ‘proven’ that the planetary observations fit 588BCE, which is impossible. Furuli is neither an astronomer nor a historian, so he’s no more qualified than me for assessing the astronomical observations in VAT 4956, hence a fallacious argument from authority.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

The Bible clearly and most definitively falsifies 586 and 587 BCE

Relative to known events in Nebuchadnezzar’s reign such as the battle of Carchemish, the Bible actually falsifies 586 BCE and confirms 587BCE.

Neo Babylonian cuneiform business documents falsify 586 and 587 BCE

Entirely false. Even the Watch Tower Society’s poor 2001 attempt admitted that the business documents are entirely consistent with the established chronology. Their footnote says: “Business tablets exist for all the years traditionally attributed to the Neo-Babylonian kings. When the years that these kings ruled are totaled and a calculation is made back from the last Neo-Babylonian king, Nabonidus, the date reached for the destruction of Jerusalem is 587 B.C.E.”

The planetary positions and the lunar positions in VAT 4956 falsify 586 and 587 BCE

VAT 4956 contains planetary observations that categorically cannot be reconciled with 588 BCE (even if you pretend the names of the planets are ambiguous), hence it has no relevance to the destruction of Jerusalem in 587BCE.

Why is ‘scholar’ so hopeless at this stuff? 🤦‍♂️

Now, why don’t you get back to trying to explain the problems with JW dogma that Jorden raised.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

Fisherman:

What do you know. I’ve studied your evidence here, COJ book, etc.

But you haven’t actually studied those things at all. You’ve merely grappled with your own cognitive dissonance until you could deceive yourself into thinking that ‘it’s the science that’s wrong’, rather than the arbitrary interpretations of a minor religious denomination.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

The Bible falsifies 607

Neo-Babylonian cuneiform business records falsify 607

The planetary positions in VAT 4956 falsify 607

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

What utter nonsense for the 'appointed times of the nations' or the Gentile Times is the time period from the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE until the 1914 CE -enthronement of God's Kingdom and Christ's Parousia as recognized by Bible expositors and in harmony with Biblical Theology.

Wrong as usual. Whilst Jorden incorporates some religious superstitions into his interpretation, he correctly identified that the ‘appointed times of the nations’ is directly described in revelation as a period of ‘42 months’, as well as the fact that Matthew directly states that Jesus presence occurs after the tribulation.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Yeah, don't bother with poor Jeffro with what the Bible says because he does not believe in the Bible.

An irrelevant and ultimately pointless ad hominem attack (specifically, an attempt at ‘poisoning the well’). What a surprise. 🤦‍♂️ But it isn’t necessary to hold any religious superstitions about the Bible in order to consider what it actually says.