Posts by Jeffro

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

'scholar':

This is utter nonsense for the Bible clearly teaches that the 70 years was a period of Exile a period of servitude to Babylon under its domination and a Desolation of Judah beginning in 607 BCE and ending in 537 BCE.

Liar. The Bible never mentions 70 years of exile. That is why you always defer to these stupid 'summaries' of JW belief instead.

Further, your interpretation is bogus because you do not believe in these events for you do not believe the Bible so any opinion you express is insincere and inauthentic.

Fallacy of division.

You should be paying attention to the 42 months, seven woes and the seven trumpets

I've given them due attention. The '42 months' ended nearly 1,953 years ago, so it's not a cause for concern. Similarly, the events symbolised by the 'woes' and 'trumpets' relate to the period of early Christianity (representing a combination of various real and imagined events), and are no cause for concern, despite the claims of conspiracy theorists, crackpots and fear-mongerers.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Far better to stick to the biblical account

Okay. The biblical account of the Neobabylonian period indicates that all the nations would serve Babylon for 70 years (Jeremiah 25:11) until Babylon was conquered by Persia (Jeremiah 25:12; 2 Chronicles 36:20). During that time, nations could avoid exile by serving Babylon (Jeremiah 27:8-11). After Babylon’s 70 years ended, attention would be given to the Jews’ return (Jeremiah 29:10; 2 Chronicles 36:21). Since it is known that Babylon was conquered by Persia in 539BCE, Babylon’s 70 years therefore began with its defeat of Assyria’s last king in 609BCE.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Very compelling as the said scholar depends on reason and not on fancy interpretations based on silly pretty coloured charts.

Poor ‘scholar’. I know you like the pretty colours but you have to actually read the words too.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Not what I said. For example, the Bible states a flood occurred, Adam and Eve were created and Bible chronology. Obviously that can be challenged with scientific evidence.

Backpedaling I see. ‘Adam and Eve’ and the ‘Flood’ (and the ‘Exodus’) are all examples of Bible stories that definitely didn’t occur in reality. There is a fallacy of composition regarding the broader sweeping statement of ‘Bible chronology’, which is accurate for the Neobabylonian period (both of which contradicts JW chronology) but not for the fanciful stories in Genesis.

But you said:

Conclude what you like and go away if you conclude it is fake. … If the Bible is approached from the position that the Bible is a fake, end of discussion.

So despite your attempt (and the repeated fallacy of composition), you did indeed indicate your view that anyone who doesn’t agree with everything in the Bible should ‘go away’ along with a moronic opinion that ‘unbelievers’ can’t discuss the Bible, demonstrating your confirmation bias.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Which is not you!

Once again ‘scholar’ falls back to the time-honoured ‘nuh-uh’ defence. Compelling stuff. 🤦‍♂️

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

Jorden:

It seems that you reply without fully reading what you are replying to.

The irony. 🤦‍♂️ In my comment that you quoted I said:

And the claim that something after that would be evidence of God is just begging the question anyway.

There is no basis for your assertions that any of the verses refer to the UN or to anything happening now.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

To the Jew and to the Psalmist it was axiomatic that God exists. There is no accountability as if there is no Jehovah. The poetic language of the Bible such as: “They have shut their eyes” and “now it has been secretly hidden from their eyes. Also, the Bible is written for believers. The language is shop talk and poetic language and literary device. The Bible claims to be the word of God and written not not for the unbelievers —but same as any deposition or testimony or document or evidence, it can be examined by anybody. Conclude what you like and go away if you conclude it is fake. But when interpreting the Bible prophecy or claims it is from the position that it is inspired. When interpreting the Bible though for example when a verse relates to when the Bible says that the earth was flooded it is from the position that the flood was true whether or not the truth of the flood is challenged. If the Bible is approached from the position that the Bible is a fake, end of discussion.

This long-winded drivel is confirmation bias, asserting that only people who believe everything in the Bible can assess its claims. Asserting that everything in the Bible is true is also a fallacy of composition.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’, thanks for continuing to demonstrate your fallacious approach to just about everything. It certainly helps readers to assess who is right.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Clearly, you have a limited understanding of the meaning of 'atheism' being unable to answer such a basic question.

Fallacy: straw man attack. I don’t care to engage in your tedious interrogation, which is not an indication of my understanding of the term.

The evidence of God and my preferred deity -Jehovah God is right in front of you just open your eyes and observe the natural world for as a wise man said in Ps. 14:1 "The foolish one says in his heart; 'There is no Jehovah'".Are you a foolish one?

Fallacy: straw man attack, appeal to emotion, naturalistic fallacy, confirmation bias, circular reasoning.