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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

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  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  Jorden:

  [Daniel 8:23 “And in the final part of their kingdom, as the transgressors act to a completion, there will stand up a king fierce in countenance and understanding ambiguous sayings. 24 And his power must become mighty, but not by his own power. And in a wonderful way he will cause ruin, and he will certainly prove successful and do effectively. And he will actually bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones.

  Daniel 8:23 refers to actions by Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 168BCE.
  

  [Revelation 17:11 And the wild beast…it is also itself an eighth king...13 These have one thought, and so they give their power and authority to the wild beast.]

  Revelation 17:11 refers to a hypothetical version of Nero, specifically referencing the widespread superstitious belief at the time that Nero would return from the dead (Nero Redivivus).
  

  [Revelation 13:5 And a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies was given it , and authority to act forty-two months was given it. 6 And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name and his residence, even those residing in heaven. 7 And there was granted it to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation]

  Revelation 13:5 refers to Rome, and specifically Nero, at the beginning of the '42 months' in 66CE.
  

  Stop trying to scare people with nonsense.
  
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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  'scholar':

  This is utter nonsense for the Bible clearly teaches that the 70 years was a period of Exile a period of servitude to Babylon under its domination and a Desolation of Judah beginning in 607 BCE and ending in 537 BCE.

  Liar. The Bible never mentions 70 years of exile. That is why you always defer to these stupid 'summaries' of JW belief instead.
  

  Further, your interpretation is bogus because you do not believe in these events for you do not believe the Bible so any opinion you express is insincere and inauthentic.

  Fallacy of division.

  You should be paying attention to the 42 months, seven woes and the seven trumpets

  I've given them due attention. The '42 months' ended nearly 1,953 years ago, so it's not a cause for concern. Similarly, the events symbolised by the 'woes' and 'trumpets' relate to the period of early Christianity (representing a combination of various real and imagined events), and are no cause for concern, despite the claims of conspiracy theorists, crackpots and fear-mongerers.
  
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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  🤦‍♂️
  
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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  Far better to stick to the biblical account

  Okay. The biblical account of the Neobabylonian period indicates that all the nations would serve Babylon for 70 years (Jeremiah 25:11) until Babylon was conquered by Persia (Jeremiah 25:12; 2 Chronicles 36:20). During that time, nations could avoid exile by serving Babylon (Jeremiah 27:8-11). After Babylon’s 70 years ended, attention would be given to the Jews’ return (Jeremiah 29:10; 2 Chronicles 36:21). Since it is known that Babylon was conquered by Persia in 539BCE, Babylon’s 70 years therefore began with its defeat of Assyria’s last king in 609BCE.
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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  Very compelling as the said scholar depends on reason and not on fancy interpretations based on silly pretty coloured charts.

  Poor ‘scholar’. I know you like the pretty colours but you have to actually read the words too.
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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  Fisherman:
  

  Not what I said. For example, the Bible states a flood occurred, Adam and Eve were created and Bible chronology. Obviously that can be challenged with scientific evidence.

  Backpedaling I see. ‘Adam and Eve’ and the ‘Flood’ (and the ‘Exodus’) are all examples of Bible stories that definitely didn’t occur in reality. There is a fallacy of composition regarding the broader sweeping statement of ‘Bible chronology’, which is accurate for the Neobabylonian period (both of which contradicts JW chronology) but not for the fanciful stories in Genesis.

  But you said:

  Conclude what you like and go away if you conclude it is fake. … If the Bible is approached from the position that the Bible is a fake, end of discussion.

  So despite your attempt (and the repeated fallacy of composition), you did indeed indicate your view that anyone who doesn’t agree with everything in the Bible should ‘go away’ along with a moronic opinion that ‘unbelievers’ can’t discuss the Bible, demonstrating your confirmation bias.
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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  Which is not you!

  Once again ‘scholar’ falls back to the time-honoured ‘nuh-uh’ defence. Compelling stuff. 🤦‍♂️
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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  Jorden:

  It seems that you reply without fully reading what you are replying to.

  The irony. 🤦‍♂️ In my comment that you quoted I said:

  And the claim that something after that would be evidence of God is just begging the question anyway.

  There is no basis for your assertions that any of the verses refer to the UN or to anything happening now.
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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  Fisherman:

  To the Jew and to the Psalmist it was axiomatic that God exists. There is no accountability as if there is no Jehovah. The poetic language of the Bible such as: “They have shut their eyes” and “now it has been secretly hidden from their eyes. Also, the Bible is written for believers. The language is shop talk and poetic language and literary device. The Bible claims to be the word of God and written not not for the unbelievers —but same as any deposition or testimony or document or evidence, it can be examined by anybody. Conclude what you like and go away if you conclude it is fake. But when interpreting the Bible prophecy or claims it is from the position that it is inspired. When interpreting the Bible though for example when a verse relates to when the Bible says that the earth was flooded it is from the position that the flood was true whether or not the truth of the flood is challenged. If the Bible is approached from the position that the Bible is a fake, end of discussion.

  This long-winded drivel is confirmation bias, asserting that only people who believe everything in the Bible can assess its claims. Asserting that everything in the Bible is true is also a fallacy of composition.
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  Scholar and Fisherman

  by Jorden in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

  do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

  if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’, thanks for continuing to demonstrate your fallacious approach to just about everything. It certainly helps readers to assess who is right.