Posts by Jeffro

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The Reason Behind Recent Watchtower Changes

by Vanderhoven7 in

eric wilson's video is worth a view.. https://youtu.be/iil4fryuczk?si=f566n0tdqgpqc2ok.

Jeffro

Perhaps the Great Tribulation will not start with a worldwide attack on false religion, but instead, on the so called "only true religion".

The JW concept of the ‘great tribulation’ is already such a mess, they may as well make up whatever they like about it. Its supposed timing, meaning, and order of events bears no similar to what the Bible actually says anyway.

But in the JW context, the ‘tribulation’ probably will at some point be watered down to just an ‘attack’ on JWs (more likely, blaming ‘Satan’s system’ when the denomination just becomes unsustainable), because otherwise it’s something that will just never happen.

Back in reality, the ‘great tribulation’ was in 66-70. Jesus was supposed to come back shortly after that. He didn’t. Time for people to move on.

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The Next Big Thing In WT World

by NotFormer in

things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

Jeffro

This link contains 'Beliefs Clarifed' which lists all of the changes by year.

Well, the ones they want to mention anyway. See also Development of Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine on Wikipedia.

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The Next Big Thing In WT World

by NotFormer in

things got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.

there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.

now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.

Jeffro

joey jojo:

My money is on another change to 1914.

There was recent frenzy over a translated talk saying that ‘Jesus didn’t sit on his throne in 1914’, but that is actually trivial to their reliance on 1914.

Their chosen reinterpretation of Millerism always required the connection to 1914, but it wasn’t until 1920 that they said Jesus was made king in that year (moved from 1878). And it wasn’t until 1930 that they started saying Jesus’ presence began in that year (moved from 1874). (Note that neither of those extremely significant changes about 1914 is listed in their index of ‘beliefs clarified’.)

Neither of those imaginary events is inextricably tied to a vague statement about ‘sitting on his throne’. Since they’re all imaginary events (or at least conveniently ‘invisible events in heaven’ 🙄) anyway, it is conceivable that they could once again shift ‘Jesus becoming king’ (though this is not necessarily the same as ‘sitting on his throne’), but considerably more difficult now to move the start of his ‘presence’ (despite the fact that the Bible says his ‘presence’ necessarily follows the ‘great tribulation’), because it is linked to their claims about being selected in 1919, about which they have too recently doubled down.

They simply have too much vested in 1914 to drop it altogether. (Though if they did, it would be very amusing watching ‘scholar’ bleat about how 607 was actually wrong all along.)

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Have I Drifted Too Far?

by sinboi in

i was shocked, really shocked.

what i am doing now is so acceptable to the friends around me.. my friends are all doing it.

it is so normal in the society,.

Jeffro

Diogenesister:

Jeffro I really don't think it matters if he's 22 or 23 or 21 and he clearly struggles with English.

Or 25 or 48, who knows. And the standard of English has varied between posts. The point is, the holes were there in the various posts to start with, and there is no credibility.

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Have I Drifted Too Far?

by sinboi in

i was shocked, really shocked.

what i am doing now is so acceptable to the friends around me.. my friends are all doing it.

it is so normal in the society,.

Jeffro

Diogenesister:

English isn't his first language

sinboi (6 years ago):

My 1st language is English. I am from Asia.

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Have I Drifted Too Far?

by sinboi in

i was shocked, really shocked.

what i am doing now is so acceptable to the friends around me.. my friends are all doing it.

it is so normal in the society,.

Jeffro

Even if, and especially if, the latest addition to the story is true, it seems that this anecdote would overshadow the previous story about sex between minors, which is generally not viewed as a crime when both parties are minors… (essentially adding, ‘oh, and we also gang-raped a guy, but I only held him down, no homo.’) Now, this kind of thing does happen (though I don’t have specific knowledge of the military culture in the country portrayed, which is most likely Singapore for those paying attention) but admitting to being complicit in it, and doing so to build upon a less serious anecdote seems to be more about getting attention. Still not buying it.

Following 2023’s failure

And there goes diogenesister’s concession about the timeline.

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Patterson New Visitor Centre & Museum Announced

by raymond frantz in

https://www.jwupdates.com/post/new-patterson-visitor-center-and-first-century-museum.

january 1, 2024, marked the official opening of the patterson visitor center, located at the watchtower educational center in patterson, new york, u.s.a. the feature museum of the visitors’ center is entitled “first-century bible village.” brother isaiah miller, who works in the museum department at bethel, said: “the bible village was designed to provide everyone with a realistic and educational experience.

studies show that interactive learning has a powerful effect on people of all ages.” after her tour, one visitor exclaimed: “this museum made me feel like i had been transported back to the land of ancient israel.

Jeffro

Ten-year-old Marcos said, “My favorite part was when I helped the Israelite carpenter build a stool!” “That was my favorite part too,” said eight-year-old Rebecca. “I also loved grinding the wheat to make flour.”

Get them excited about free labour while they’re young. 🤣

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Have I Drifted Too Far?

by sinboi in

i was shocked, really shocked.

what i am doing now is so acceptable to the friends around me.. my friends are all doing it.

it is so normal in the society,.

Jeffro

Diogenesister:

Has been out of the army for 2 years now.

No, he never said that. Probably will now though. 🙄

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Have I Drifted Too Far?

by sinboi in

i was shocked, really shocked.

what i am doing now is so acceptable to the friends around me.. my friends are all doing it.

it is so normal in the society,.

Jeffro

Diogenesister:

Jeffro he said he's been out of the army for 2 years

No, he actually said that when he joined the army, he felt bad even though at that time he had been out of the JWs for two years.

You are being fed a story.

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Have I Drifted Too Far?

by sinboi in

i was shocked, really shocked.

what i am doing now is so acceptable to the friends around me.. my friends are all doing it.

it is so normal in the society,.

Jeffro

I think he’s drifted from his timeline. Apparently he was 17 6 years ago, but now has only recently completed his 2 years in the army which was required at 18.