Posts by Jeffro

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

Jeffro

PioneerSchmioneer:

I think you quoted KOW out of context. At one point he also stated

Not you again. 🙄 I didn’t quote anyone out of context, nor did I say he said anything wrong. I provided additional information in response to his first comment in the thread, for which there was no prior context.

I believe he merely mentioned that the "original [Noachin] flood story" originated from the Gilgamesh narrative as found in Genesis in that specific reference you quote.

There’s that ‘taking out of context’ you mentioned. KOW’s comment I quoted was from a day before he said what you quoted him saying. You may now apologise.

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

Jeffro

nicolaou:

Some miss the point through a genuine misunderstanding, some through a wilful misdirection.

For those who believe the story is literally true, they will always come up with (usually, simply repeat) some trite explanation for why it was justified, and believing that the story is a historical event necessarily has also affected their ability to rationally consider information or broader implications that conflict with their world view.

For those who recognise it as a myth, the consideration of the moral implications is already obvious and a bit superfluous.

Your intended (or at least, optimal) audience would be somewhere in between. Questioning the validity of such stories. They would be less likely to comment, but would take in the point nonetheless. However, there are various factors about the forum that I won’t go into here that limits the proportion in that category.

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

Jeffro

slimboyfat:

I can assure you our pet cat Sanders is neither useful nor tasty. 🐈‍⬛

I’d like to think that you don’t actually know how tasty your cat is.

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

Jeffro

KalebOutWest:

The original flood story comes from the Gilgamesh tradition.

The flood story in the Gilgamesh Epic is based on an even older Sumerian flood myth from the 2nd millennium BCE.

slimboyfat:

It’s possible that Genesis and Gilgamesh are both based on the same events.

Only to the extent that any myth could be loosely based on some actual event, such that any similarity to any actual event is entirely trivial.

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Progress on the NWT Study Bible

by slimboyfat in

the society has been working on the nwt study bible since the revised nwt was released in 2013. so far they done the nt up to philemon.

that makes about 17% of the entire bible including the hebrew/aramaic scriptures.

at that rate the study edition of the whole nwt will be completed sometime around the year 2077. .

Jeffro

Their ’Study’ Bible is suspiciously missing commentary on things that are inconvenient. For example, JW dogma places Jesus’ presence before the great tribulation, but Matthew 24:21, 29 clearly places it after the great tribulation. Their ‘solution’? Completely ignore reference to those verses in their study notes. 🤦‍♂️

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printed magazines

by pepperheart2 in

hi does any body know if the watchtower are printing any new awakes etc as these past 8 months or so i have had magazines from four different carts from four different towns 100s of miles apart and the most recent magazines that they all had were from 2021..

Jeffro

slimboyfat (paraphrasing JW video):

now I focus on making placements of love and concern by our conversations which is more satisfying

This schtick of ‘showing personal interest’ until they can work their religious beliefs into a conversation is just sad.

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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!

by Kelley959 in

an interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.

so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.

i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.

Jeffro

Phizzy:

There is also a Thread by the incredible Leolaia, from years ago, which in addition to Jeffro's perhaps ? shows that EVERY year they get it wrong ! Their method of calculating is wrong of course, but Leolaia showed from the historical roots of Passover why it is wrong every year IIRC.

My thread (from11 years ago) addressed how the date ‘presumptuously’ chosen by the ’governing body’ is not consistent with the Metonic cycle, and didn’t cover every aspect of how the Jews historically established the date for Passover. Any thread by Leolaia is definitely worth considering. (Some of the details in my thread were a little hastily thrown together, and I also left a little trap in one of my later comments in the thread, but no one took the bait. 😉)

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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!

by Kelley959 in

an interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.

so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.

i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.

Jeffro

stan livedeath:

I could never understand the words "see" a new moon. Surely the new moon is not visible--its in full shadow.

The astronomical new moon as the term is used by modern astronomers is not illuminated at all. However, the term traditionally referred to when the first sliver of the moon became visible, generally between 1% and 3% illumination.

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The Date for the Memorial is WRONG this year!

by Kelley959 in

an interesting video was on youtube with a person claiming that the memorial date for 2024 was wrong.

so i consulted three different jewish calendars online and sure enough, he appears to be right.

i went back to 2014 and forward to 2027. they have the future dates listed.

Jeffro

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How do JWs know that less than 150,000 Christians existed before the 20th Century?

by Vanderhoven7 in

according to watchtower, only anointed christians existed between the first and 20th centuries.

the great crowd of other sheep only began forming after the 20th century started.. how do they support this conclusion?

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Jeffro

The whole JW doctrine of the apostasy after the first century is nonsense. In their pitiful Ezekiel book from 2018, they claim that the second century ‘apostasy’ was a ‘spiritual exile’ analogous to the exile to Babylon. But that would mean the ‘apostasy’ was itself a ‘punishment’, but without any actual reason to warrant punishment in the first place.