Posts by Jeffro

271

VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

His latest 'efforts' are already covered under the comment here. Notice how he continues to ignore the much more significant problems already pointed out, and instead wrongly claims I must have checked the wrong year.

He still doesn't understand that 'behind' relates to position in relation to motion toward the horizon, and not whether something is further to the west. He also incorrectly associates the "Fish of the Zodiac" (translated from ŠIM) from the the 1915 translation of VAT 4956 with Piscis Austrinus. However, the "Fish of the Zodiac" as shown in the 1915 translation refers to the zodiac sign called 'fish' (i.e. Pisces), but refers to what the Babylonians called 'the Swallow'. Piscis Austrinus was known to the Babylonians as 'the southern fish' (MUL.KU), but it wasn't a constellation of the Babylonian zodiac, and isn't in the original text of VAT 4956. The Babylonian zodiac had no sign between Aquarius and Capricorn, where 'the southern fish' is found.

Back in reality, in the correct year, 568 BCE, the moon was visible behind Taurus where expected, and Saturn was in front of Pisces (the Swallow) where expected.

But let's see what he has to say about Mars entering Praesepe in Month II...

271

VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

I’ve already shown you to be thoroughly wrong. Just go away.

271

VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

in -511 April 23rd would be 20 days into the lunar cycle.

If we grant the most latitude possible to this nonsense and pretend the time of the solstice doesn't matter and jump back to the start of the lunar cycle, the observations still do not match for 512 BCE.

Only bothered considering Obverse I but it is sufficient to make the point. The moon is a poor match in 512 BCE for the observations in VAT4956, but more significantly, the planetary observations are a complete failure. Line 2 - Saturn was behind Capricorn, not Pisces. Line 4 - Jupiter wasn't achronycal. Line 9 - Saturn would be described as in front of Aquarius or behind Capricorn, not behind Pisces. Line 10 - Mars was nowhere near Praesepe. Line 11 - Venus would be described as being in Cancer rather than below Leo. Line 13 - Jupiter in Leo, not Scorpio.

As an example of how the planetary observations are more important than lunar observations, Mars was only ever in Praesepe (M 44) during a few days in August in 512 BCE, which cannot in any way be contorted to 'Month II'. (And it's even worse for 588 BCE, during which Mars was never in Praesepe.) But it is a perfect match for 568 BCE, when Mars was in Praesepe during the period 24-27 May.

271

VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

Again, the timeline I posted gives me an advantage because I know that the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar is 512 BC without VAT4956.

You don’t ‘know’ that at all. You’ve made up a chronology, which deviates wildly from all scholarship in various fields, to suit your superstitions about Jesus, and you are desperately trying to make things fit around it. Come back when your thesis is peer reviewed.

271

VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

And that made no sense at all.

Wow you’re even worse at this stuff than ‘scholar’. It made perfect sense. If you don’t understand how months work, you definitely shouldn’t be trying to rewrite all of antiquity.

Again, doesn't explain why someone would try to pass off the 20th day of a lunar month as a match to line 1.

Indeed. So stop insisting on an obviously nonsensical chronology that requires it. 🤷‍♂️

Better still, just go away.

271

VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

And this ALSO, why Saturn is BEHIND the Swallow and not in FRONT of the Swallow because the Swallow is to the WEST of Saturn.

You're delusional. That isn't what 'behind' means. Go away.

271

VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

How does picking April 23 of -511 as the first day of the first month get derived from the Solstice being indicated on the 9th day of the 3rd month?

🙄 If you don't understand why, you're definitely not qualified to be making a vast rewrite of all of antiquity.

The 9th day of the 3rd month is necessarily two full lunar cycles plus 9 days (inclusive) after the 1st day of the 1st month. A lunar cycle is 29.5 days. The solstice was on 29 June in 512 BCE. 67 days before 29 June is 23 April.

Please go away.

271

VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

Are you going to tell me that the moon was in front of Taurus on day one of Month 1?

22 April 568 BCE, sunset. Moon is behind Taurus, as stated in Line 1 of VAT 4956. Taurus sets within half an hour after sunset. Moon sets another half hour after, that is, behind.

Just go away.

271

VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

If you chose the date of April 23 on -511 as the first of the month you would be wrong because it is NOT the first crescent.

I didn't choose the date. The date is dictated by the date of the solstice. Your alternative chronology is simply wrong.

You do realize that in -567, that the solstice would be even farther away from a true solstice than that reported in -511 don't you? So based on your argument you can't be supporting -567 since that would be farther away from the true solstice.

It is indeed becoming very evident that you do not know how to use an astronomy program.

271

VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

But that narrative says that Saturn is FRONT of the Swallow but yet the astronomy shows that Saturn is BEHIND the Swallow.

You're just wrong. (Your entire thesis is wrong, but you're also very wrong on this specific point.)

Position for line 2, 23 April 568 BCE, before sunrise. Saturn is in front of the Swallow (Pisces).

Position for line 9, 23 May 568 BCE, before sunrise. Saturn is in front of the Swallow (Pisces).

Either you don't know how to use an astronomy program, or you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what 'in front' means for astronomical observations.