Notice how jwposter, all through this thread, simply ignores each problem that is pointed out about his incorrect alternative history, and either focuses on what he thinks is his strongest point, or just moves on to the next incorrect assertion.
Posts by Jeffro
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by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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Jeffro
jwposter:
Yes, it is referring to the people as well.
Your chosen verse in 2 Chronicles is about Judah. But Ezekiel 4:4-5 is specifically talking about Israel. You keep leaving out that part. Ezekiel 4:6 explicitly contrasts the 390 days for Israel with the 40 days for Judah. But you’re too caught up in your own nonsense to care about what it actually says.
And BTW, I'm not trying to lay blame. I'm trying to edify and be edified.
Just as well. You’re in no position to blame. Your nutty chronology is entirely wrong from start to finish.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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Jeffro
As you can see the inequity came after the three years of Rehoboam.
But that doesn’t say anything at all about the people of Israel. I should have specified that it says nothing relevant. (I fully accept the blame for thinking you would understand.) The 390 days isn’t about the people of Judah at all, much less its king.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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Jeffro
jwposter:
Right is about 393.5 years because the iniquity of Solomon's son didn't occur until after the 3rd year
Nonsense. Gill tries that trick, but the Bible says nothing about Rehoboam's fourth year (nor of Jeroboam I).
2Ki 25:8
🤦♂️'390 days' is in Ezekiel, not 2 Kings. Are you drunk? (He probably doesn't even realise 2 Kings counts accession year as part of the reign, but that's another issue.)
Let's read together 😒 ... Ezekiel 4:4-6:
4 “Then lie on your left side and put the sin of the people of Israel upon yourself. You are to bear their sin for the number of days you lie on your side. 5 I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the people of Israel.
6 “After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the people of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year.
Oh, it doesn't actually mention kings of Judah at all (or even kings at all). The 390 days is a judgement against the people of Israel as distinct from the people of Judah.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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Jeffro
jwposter:
Go count it. It is 390 years AFTER the reign of Solomon.
It’s actually 393.5 if you just blindly add them up. Aside from that, various passages describing reigns of Judah relative to reigns of Israel cannot be reconciled if one just naively adds up the reigns in this manner ignoring co-regencies.
So that would mean that the 19th year is right at or around 541BCE.
No. The passage says nothing about Nebuchadnezzar’s 19th year. You’re just relying on a later Protestant interpretation of Ezekiel chapter 4. And you’re wrong about the end year of Solomon’s reign as well, most likely due to not properly understanding Tishri dating.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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Jeffro
(Just noticed autocorrect changed ‘co-regencies’ to ‘cogencies’ and it’s too late to fix it. I suppose doofus isn’t cogent either, so maybe not too much of an error. 🤣)
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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Jeffro
Leviticus 25:8: “‘You will count off seven sabbath years, seven times seven years, and the days of the seven sabbath years will amount to 49 years.
Leviticus 26:28, 34–35: I will intensify my opposition to you, and I myself will have to chastise you seven times for your sins. … 34 “‘At that time the land will pay off its sabbaths all the days it lies desolate, while you are in the land of your enemies. At that time the land will rest, as it must repay its sabbaths. 35 All the days it lies desolate it will rest, because it did not rest during your sabbaths when you were dwelling on it.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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Jeffro
The doofus doesn’t understand cogencies or modern understanding beyond the 18th century regarding the chronology of the divided kingdom. Not my problem.
You were at one point supporting your position with 390 years of the chronology of House of Judah with somehow an overlapping 70 years of captivity and then you wanted to support your position using a Septuagint shorter rendering of the Chronology.
No, you’re a liar. The timeline notes both periods for both the MSS and Septuagint renderings of Ezekiel chapter 4, and has done for several years.
1Es 1:58
Not sure why doofus feels the need to quote 1 Esdras rather than the equivalent passage from 2 Chronicles. In either case, it’s a misreading as Babylon’s 70 years is a separate period to the period of paying off sabbaths, which Leviticus (quoted in 1 Esdras and 2 Chronicles) specifically indicates to be 49 years. Jeremiah (‘Jeremy’ in doofus’ chosen translation) never mentioned ‘paying off sabbaths’, which is a separate period to what Jeremiah said about Babylon’s 70 years. See also here.
You’ve been wrong at absolutely every juncture for this entire thread and you have the gall to say you’ve ‘schooled’ me. Just go away with your stupid superstitious nonsense.
Come back when your rewrite of antiquity is peer reviewed.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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Jeffro
jwposter:
See now Jeffro is trying to change his timeline
Blatant lie. I haven’t changed the timeline, and haven’t needed to. I instead referred you to existing documents, which account for the 390 years, and also the period in the Septuagint version.
The 70 years of captivity were a year for each year that the land didn't lay fallow.
They really weren’t. The land was fallow for 49 years as (retroactively) prescribed in Leviticus (though in reality parts of Judea remained populated throughout the entire period), from the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 BCE until the return in 538 BCE. See also Leviticus 25:8; 26:28, 32-35.
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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
by jwposter inin my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.
i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.
i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.
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Jeffro
jwposter:
Jeffro it doesn't matter that Gill died in 1771. That is a fallacy you are resorting to. Are we supposed to only listen to those people alive today.
It’s not a matter of being alive. The information is thoroughly outdated, not to mention theologically biased.