Posts by Jeffro

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

vidqun:

Problem is, neither Jerusalem nor the temple were destroyed by Antiochus III Epiphanes. He profaned it but never destroyed it.

Earlier in this thread, I correctly pointed out that Daniel 9:27 does not say that Jerusalem would be destroyed. For completeness I will also add that although Daniel 9:26 says the city would be 'destroyed', the actual word used in the original text (Strongs H7843) means corrupted rather than destroyed in the sense of perished (Strongs H6), desolated (Strongs H2717), erased (Strongs H4871) or completely destroyed (Strongs H2763). See also Daniel 11:31; 12:11.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

That would take a miracle, considering the amount of opposition.

Islam is all around the world too.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

We have other sources too which come after the first 150 years of his death, making his existence so well attested that it cannot be denied.

Bait and switch. The existence of an itinerant rabbi who was executed by the Romans is entirely mundane.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

Yes, he did.

No, he didn’t. The story of Paul’s conversion in Acts doesn’t depict Paul actually meeting Jesus. It depicts a ‘vision’ consistent with a temporal lobe seizure or any of various other conditions, or could just be completely made up. The story was ‘conveniently’ written after Paul’s death. And the story contradicts Paul’s version in Galatians.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

So can you please provide independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible claims he did?

There isn’t any. This is why they defer to unfounded claims of ‘prophecy’, obvious forgeries (e.g. ‘letter from Pilate’), and tedious traditions about religious ‘relics’.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

And no, it's not magical, it's called divine prophecy.

That’s just rhetorical nonsense. ‘Calling it’ ‘divine prophecy’ doesn’t establish that such a thing actually exists or is possible. Retconning stories after the fact is not evidence of ‘prophecy’.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

Jesus was the Son of God on earth! The Messiah! No one else has a name so great under heaven. To reject Jesus means to reject the way to eternal life.

Yawn.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

Daniel and friends were exiled approximately 605 BCE, in the first siege of Jerusalem, during the reign of Jehoiakim.

The anonymous author of Daniel used Babylon as an allegory for the events in the 2nd century BCE to give the appearance of prophecy. And you fell for it! Hilarious.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

The Maccabean Dynasty lost their indepenance by submitting to General Pompey in 63 BCE.

Daniel was written in the 2nd century BCE. 63 BCE was in the 1st century BCE. The anonymous author of the book of Daniel wasn’t magical, doofus. Hyperbole is a common element in this genre of apocalyptic literature, and it is why these nutters still persist in alternative reinterpretations to this day. Pathetic.

Jeffro, you must be joking. Is that really what you believe? You apply above language to a Maccabean victory? Now I've heard it all.

‘My interpretation’ that the book of Daniel refers to the Maccabean period is widely accepted by scholars. You’re just further demonstrating your ignorance.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

Then I see you did touch on Nebuchadnezzar as the golden head of the statue. Why don't you continue and explain to us the relevance of the different metal layers of the statue? The same goes for the four beasts of Dan. 7. You'll see in connection with these your Maccabean dating falls seriously short.

🤣 Daniel’s dreams and visions, chapter 2 and chapter 7