Posts by Jeffro

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

Jesus was the one who had the angel give the vision of Revelation to John.
Jehovah is the one who gave Jesus the message to share.
Jehovah's Word never fails to take place.

🤦‍♂️

Those are all claims, not evidence. Revelation purports to be written by 'John', but does not specify which John. It is only church tradition that it is 'the apostle John'. Who actually wrote it is unestablished, and there is no reason to consider it reliable. It does contain references to some first-century events dressed as 'prophecy' in addition to hyperbolic claims typical of the apocalyptic genre, but it has nothing to do with anything happening now.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

🙄 okay then 🤦‍♂️

That definition of 'faith' is entirely useless. It asserts that 'faith' is itself 'evidence'. It is an irrelevant circular contrivance.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

When Watchtower (and the other religious institutions) are overthrown with a swift pitch, that will be evidence.

No, there could be any number of reasons why religious organisations could become defunct. And offering some hypothetical future event as 'evidence' isn't particularly compelling.

Jesus said it would happen. So it will happen.

You don't have any evidence that Jesus said it would happen, let alone that he would be necessarily correct. According to the 'gospels', which were written decades after Jesus' death and can't be regarded as reliable sources for anything Jesus said anyway, Jesus said his 'presence' would be within a generation of his ministry. That failed, so he's not reliable from the outset.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

vidqun:

Problem is, neither Jerusalem nor the temple were destroyed by Antiochus III Epiphanes. He profaned it but never destroyed it.

Earlier in this thread, I correctly pointed out that Daniel 9:27 does not say that Jerusalem would be destroyed. For completeness I will also add that although Daniel 9:26 says the city would be 'destroyed', the actual word used in the original text (Strongs H7843) means corrupted rather than destroyed in the sense of perished (Strongs H6), desolated (Strongs H2717), erased (Strongs H4871) or completely destroyed (Strongs H2763). See also Daniel 11:31; 12:11.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

That would take a miracle, considering the amount of opposition.

Islam is all around the world too.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

We have other sources too which come after the first 150 years of his death, making his existence so well attested that it cannot be denied.

Bait and switch. The existence of an itinerant rabbi who was executed by the Romans is entirely mundane.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

Yes, he did.

No, he didn’t. The story of Paul’s conversion in Acts doesn’t depict Paul actually meeting Jesus. It depicts a ‘vision’ consistent with a temporal lobe seizure or any of various other conditions, or could just be completely made up. The story was ‘conveniently’ written after Paul’s death. And the story contradicts Paul’s version in Galatians.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

So can you please provide independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible claims he did?

There isn’t any. This is why they defer to unfounded claims of ‘prophecy’, obvious forgeries (e.g. ‘letter from Pilate’), and tedious traditions about religious ‘relics’.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

And no, it's not magical, it's called divine prophecy.

That’s just rhetorical nonsense. ‘Calling it’ ‘divine prophecy’ doesn’t establish that such a thing actually exists or is possible. Retconning stories after the fact is not evidence of ‘prophecy’.

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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?

by Touchofgrey in

is there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.

the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.

i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.

Jeffro

Jesus was the Son of God on earth! The Messiah! No one else has a name so great under heaven. To reject Jesus means to reject the way to eternal life.

Yawn.