Posts by Jeffro

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Earthquake statistics?

by ringo5 in

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friends

has there ever been any so-called evidence brought forth by the wtbs that there has been an increase in earthquakes since 1914??

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inquiring minds would like to know..

Jeffro

But the essence is that the scripture says there would be more 'reports' of wars, and earthquakes

Matthew 24:6 & Mark 13:7 refer to 'wars and reports of wars' (Luke 21:9 doesn't say 'reports' at all), verses 7, 8, and 10 of the respective chapters only refer to "earthquakes in one place after another", not reports thereof.

Significantly, the gospel account of John has no parallel account. The earlier accounts of Matthew, Mark & Luke were in expectation of God's kingdom. After the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD, there was much less focus on the kingdom, as evidenced by the fact that John's gospel mentions the kingdom of god only 7 times, limited to 2 conversations (with Nicodemus and with Pilate).

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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?

by Little Bo Peep in

hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.

i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.

i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.

Jeffro

Imo the book of Daniel has lost sight of the original meaning of Jeremiah, which clearly referred (as a round figure) to the time of Babylon's domination over several (hyperbolically "all") nations.

Narkissos,

You raised aspects of Daniel chapter 9, which are not related to the point I was making. We don't want to confuse poor scholar do we?

Daniel chapter 5 fully supports the intent of Jeremiah that the 70 years (whether viewed as a round figure OR exactly) ended in 539 when the king was called to account. The 70 years (whether exact or not) could not end after the event which Jeremiah said would occur once they were fulfilled.

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i need some skeptic input... dreams that come true

by googlemagoogle in

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friends

listen to this: the other day my wife was talking in her sleep and she said "sister xyz died".

i just thought, well she's dreaming.

the next day one of my friends told me "sister xyz died yesterday".

Jeffro

It pays to have some idea of just what one is sceptical about. What kind of sceptic would I be if I didn't have some basic idea of what it is I don't believe in? ;)

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i need some skeptic input... dreams that come true

by googlemagoogle in

jw
friends

listen to this: the other day my wife was talking in her sleep and she said "sister xyz died".

i just thought, well she's dreaming.

the next day one of my friends told me "sister xyz died yesterday".

Jeffro

LittleToe,
I'll try to keep up... LOL

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i need some skeptic input... dreams that come true

by googlemagoogle in

jw
friends

listen to this: the other day my wife was talking in her sleep and she said "sister xyz died".

i just thought, well she's dreaming.

the next day one of my friends told me "sister xyz died yesterday".

Jeffro

Mary,

Astral travelling is essentially the belief of an out-of-body experience where an ethereal part of a person separates from, and is able to travel independently of, the physical body.

Someone who holds to this belief may be able to provide a more definitive explanation.

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i need some skeptic input... dreams that come true

by googlemagoogle in

jw
friends

listen to this: the other day my wife was talking in her sleep and she said "sister xyz died".

i just thought, well she's dreaming.

the next day one of my friends told me "sister xyz died yesterday".

Jeffro

Jeffro...remote viewing is b.s.

Indeed. The web site from the link I was provided with did smack of a hoax. Neither the Department of Defence nor the Central Intelligence Agency search engines provided any publicly released information on 'remote viewing' so I am not convinced that claims from 'remote viewing' proponents regarding these organisations are substantiated.

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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?

by Little Bo Peep in

hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.

i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.

i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.

Jeffro

The entire point of the the 'writing on the wall' was in fulfilment of Jeremiah's statement that Babylon's king would be called to account (TE'KEL - you have been weighed and found deficient) at the end of the 70 years (ME'NE - God has numbered the days of your kingdom). That is the entire purpose of the event. It is grossly ignorant to suggest otherwise. If the two passages are considered logically it takes a very strong bias to suggest that one is not in fulfilment of the other.

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i need some skeptic input... dreams that come true

by googlemagoogle in

jw
friends

listen to this: the other day my wife was talking in her sleep and she said "sister xyz died".

i just thought, well she's dreaming.

the next day one of my friends told me "sister xyz died yesterday".

Jeffro

I had a look at the Remote Viewing site from the prior post link. From that site, it appears that the US Government did investigate the merits of 'Remote Viewing' but largely the practice appears to have been the stuff of supermarket tabloids and websites of similar ilk. From what I can find, it appears that it is only proponents of remote viewing who say that the government even looked in to it. The Department of Defense website search engine returns no relevant results for either "remote viewing" or "stargate" yet it is candid enough to provide search results on supposed ufo sightings. On that basis I would need proof that the government's use of "remote viewing" is not a hoax.

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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?

by Little Bo Peep in

hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.

i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.

i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.

Jeffro

You throw around words like 'stupid' and 'absurd' though you have been told many many times the scriptures that refer to the very things you deny are stated. And once again by Narkissos recently.

You refuse to answer specific questions when asked, and you do not provide references when requested.

There seems to be little point discussing anything with you.

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i need some skeptic input... dreams that come true

by googlemagoogle in

jw
friends

listen to this: the other day my wife was talking in her sleep and she said "sister xyz died".

i just thought, well she's dreaming.

the next day one of my friends told me "sister xyz died yesterday".

Jeffro

Jeffro:
Is it a pride thing, that causes you not to listen?

I tend to operate best on logic, which is largely why I left the 'truth'™. What is it that you think I am not listening to?? I have stated that I am not convinced of paranormal phenomena on the basis of that I have not seen proof of them. I have not denied that people have had the experiences they said they had; simply that I do not necessarily believe that there is a supernatural force that caused them unless proven, and that a more 'rational' (ie compatible with current scientific knowledge) explanation may exist.
That does not mean that the people who claim to have had these experiences are delusional (though that does not preclude delusional people from also claiming these types of experiences).

How many people have you now disuaded from bothering debating with you?

From what I can see, none. The thread calls for sceptism, and I am going to provide it. The topic is not intended to be a tradefest for the paranormal without objection.

Meanwhile, perhaps you could elucidate on this point:
...some forms of paranormal belief are mutually exclusive.

It is a paranormal belief that when people die their soul floats off to heaven or hell for eternity. It is also a paranormal belief that life is an ongoing cycle of reincarnation on earth. That's the first example that comes to mind right now.

On predictive dreams: If a particular predictive dream is not to be seen as co-incidental, that would mean that either the events in the dream are thereafter caused by the same force that triggered the dream (unless by an extraordinary co-incidence a separate force does), OR the future is pre-set, the flow of time is not linear, and the person's mind has somehow been transported to that future time. If the future, and therefore the present, is pre-set, I should not be rediculed for saying things that the universe has already foreordained for me to say. And if that is the case, maybe I'm here just for some people to learn a lesson in long-suffering.

On astral travelling: does a person's body weigh the same when they are astral travelling? If so, how does the astral form, that is massless and therefore not affected by gravity, account for the fact that earth is moving in it's orbit around the sun.