Posts by Jeffro

Was the ghost corporeal? Translucent? Did it have a distinct form? Did it suddenly appear and disappear or physically walk out of the room? Did it talk? Did it interact with objects? Did objects move without the ghost being visible?

Now, my mom and sister heard it, as well as saw, and all 3 of us talked about it to others before talking with each other. The fact is that it was in our home, and we all saw it. All our stories matched perfectly.

How old were you at the time? How impressionable were you? How much time has elapsed since these events?

Some of you want to say that I didn't see what I saw? Then you are foolish and ignorent, as you did not experience what I did. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it so.

There is no point in saying that you did not see what you say you saw, but the issue I have with these things is proof. And the motivation of these otherworldly incantations.

For those who don't believe in these type of situations, what say you?? You think I am insane, or we all saw things in our head?

Since I have no idea who you are, it is hypothetically possible that you could in fact be insane, or that you saw it in your head but that is not necessarily the case. It is also remotely possible that you are simply lying, though that seems unlikely. You may have been young and impressionable and duped by ghost stories told by your family and imagined the rest. Or there may have been a much more complicated explanation in which some form did in fact appear. But no proof has been furnished that it was a ghost.

In case you are curious, our home was built in the 1880's, and we were only the 3rd family ever to live in that home. The man/ ghost my family saw and heard was dressed for someone at the turn of the century. I think maybe it was the guy who first lived there. Why was he there? Don't know. But I know he was real. Saw him countless times. Never attacked us, or caused us harm. Though I would never stay in a house like that now.

It is definitely an interesting account that evokes a lot of questions. For how long did your family stay in the house with this entity? It seems from what you have said that it never communicated with any memeber of your family.

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So how do you explain this....

by loosie in

i didn't want to hi jack this thread.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95312/1.ashx.

but i wanted to open this up for discussion.

since being raised a jw, everything unexplainable has been attributed to demons.

Jeffro

I've heard many "credited " psychics claim that strange things happen on account of dead people . The bibe says that evil spirits are what really cause people to exsperience all sorts of strange phenomena . I have seen what I consider to be spirits and don't think I was hallucinating .I can speak from first hand knowledge that most people are not nuts or chemically imballanced because they witness strange things . I most definately do believe in evil spirits .

When some are confronted with the idea that a chemical imbalance may be involved in seeing supposed supernatural phenomena the knee-jerk reaction is "I'm not crazy". In saying that a chemical imbalance may be involved, it is not necessarily suggested that a person has a serious permanent mental illness; simply that there may have been an imbalance in the person's physiology during the time that the supernatural event was thought to have occurred, though such experiences may have also been part of a particularly realistic dream.
Maybe you should tell the evil spirits that helped with your typing that a space is not required before a full stop ('period' for our American readers).

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Witnesses and their "specialized knowledge"

by seattleniceguy in

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witnesses believe they have special knowledge of an entire realm of which most humans are utterly ignorant.

angelic battles are being waged all around as universal court cases proceed.

all of this is happening, they believe, totally unnoticed by everyone else, except perhaps apostates and demons, who see it but for some reason remain defiant in the face of their approaching doom.. it can be a giddy feeling to believe you know what no one else knows, especially when they mock your beliefs as nonsense.

Jeffro

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I think that was a misprint. What they meant to say was: "They make the food taste good and you get fat because you're a greedy swine who doesn't know when to stop eating."

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So how do you explain this....

by loosie in

i didn't want to hi jack this thread.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95312/1.ashx.

but i wanted to open this up for discussion.

since being raised a jw, everything unexplainable has been attributed to demons.

Jeffro

Did you read the empirical evidence I cited in the links, or did you just reply without thinking? One of the articles cites research from the prestigous Harvard University.

The article on the effects of fluoride cites Harvard University. My comments have little bearing on whether fluoride has negative or positive effects on health.
The study on factors of paranormal belief makes reference to a graduate of Harvard which does not suggest agreement from Harvard University per se, and the article does not prove that paranormal activity is real, only that some believe in it.
The other two articles did not appear to mention Harvard. Beliefs within Buddhism vary greatly and do not necessitate paranormal belief.
The article on prayer is more of a 'heartwarmer' than anything else. Though there are some emotional benefits of prayer for believers, such benefit is primarily derived from the person helping to sort out there concerns by expressing them, and the comfort of feeling that someone else cares about them. (Such comfort often turns to grief if/when the person experiences a disaster that they feel their God should not have allowed.) Though people in some areas do rely heavily on therapy where other (cheaper) techniques would be of benefit, prayer should not be used as a coverall for all mental conditions, some of which require professional treatment.

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So how do you explain this....

by loosie in

i didn't want to hi jack this thread.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95312/1.ashx.

but i wanted to open this up for discussion.

since being raised a jw, everything unexplainable has been attributed to demons.

Jeffro

LittleToe wrote:

It's a scientific fact that it breaks the mind of skeptics who experience such things

Since there is no reliable scientific evidence of any supernatural occurence, it cannot therefore be a 'scientific fact' that such events cause a particular result in skeptics.

(contrary to public opinion, exposure to a succumbus while sleeping does not break this)

Are there any 'popular opinions' regarding 'succumbuses'? (Do you mean the mythical 'succubus'??)
integ wrote:

To not believe in the existence of supernatural "entities" or however you want to refer to them, is to NOT have experienced an encounter with these very powerful astral "beings".

Some people 'know' they've had such visitations, just like others 'know' they've been abducted by aliens or they 'know' they were Cleopatra in a past life or they 'know' that Jesus returned in 1914. There is simply no evidence to support such claims.

The mind may play tricks on some, but ask; "who or what is causing the mind to play these tricks?"

Neurology is complicated, and though it may be glamorous to simplify the causes of such 'mind tricks' by suggesting it's a powerful supernatural force, to do so is a fantasy. Imbalances in the chemistry of the brain can cause any number of results, some of which cause altered perceptions leading to fictional or distorted experiences. Such tricks of the mind do not require intervention of a supernatural "who or what", any more than a powerful force is behind the dopamine levels of a schizophrenic or the insulin levels of a diabetic.

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So how do you explain this....

by loosie in

i didn't want to hi jack this thread.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95312/1.ashx.

but i wanted to open this up for discussion.

since being raised a jw, everything unexplainable has been attributed to demons.

Jeffro

Unless I saw things flying around the place and see faces...

Depends on what things are flying around. Maybe you're at the airport. Or maybe there's a hurricane. Seeing faces is pretty normal - they're the things on the front of people's heads.
Of course if these manifestations were to appear in an abnormal way, perhaps it would be best to seek a third party perspective, and possibly seek psychiatric or medical help before deciding that you're under assault by 'demons'. Maybe there's a simpler explanation - like aliens - or David Hasselhoff.

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Questions You Could NEVER Ask Your Elders

by minimus in

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jwd is great for giving us the opportunity to ask questions and get answers to things that you could never ask in a kingdom hall.

what are some questions that are simply taboo amongst the "friends"?

Jeffro

Was it Odin (?) that sinned by allowing his seed to spill on the ground? I think that's your answer.

Odin was a Norse god. You're thinking of Onan.

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This just in from WTS.......Urgent

by gringojj in

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the genuine.

panama hat.

made in ecuador?

Jeffro

This article is from 2001. Why is it urgent? And there's not a resplendent quetzel in sight.

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By Jove!

by the_classicist in

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remember witnesses pointing out all that time that "by jove" meant "by jehovah.".

just to set the record straight: it's not "by jehovah" it's "by jupitor.

" you see in latin, jupitor is spelled thus: iuppitor.

Jeffro

The English word 'jovial' is similarly derived from Jupiter (Roman god of the air, counterpart of the Greek god Zeus), as Jupiter was seen as the source of joy.
Despite what the Watchtower Society might hope, it is possible that the introduction of the English name 'Jehovah' was influenced by the name 'Jove', not the other way around. For that reason, purists would probably prefer to stick to 'Yahweh'.