Posts by Jeffro

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Satan thrown to earth "about" 1914?

by wearewatchingyouman in

so i'm thumbing through the new "silver sword" and i notice that in the appendix under "message of the bible" that it says, "about 1914 jesus hurls the serpent satan to the earth...." i can't remeber ever hearing the word "about" and 1914 placed together before in regards to this event.

are there any jwapologists, or anyone else for that matter, who have an explanation for this?.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/appendix-b/message-of-the-bible/.

Jeffro

AnnOMaly (quoting w53 2/15 p. 119 par 23):

God knew that Satan the wicked one would attempt to turn the attention of the people away from God’s kingdom when it was established. So it was when Satan was ousted from the heavens down to the earth. He was wrathful. He plunged the nations into World War I. He wanted to turn the attention of the people away from the significant event that then was taking place and he proceeded to do so in the most deceptive ways.

Yes... apparently World War I was started by 'Satan' to 'turn attention' away from something that supposedly happened 'invisibly' in 'heaven', which no one would have noticed anyway because nothing actually happened. (How very crafty. ) Once again, Watch Tower comes through with 'brilliant' 'logic'.

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Satan thrown to earth "about" 1914?

by wearewatchingyouman in

so i'm thumbing through the new "silver sword" and i notice that in the appendix under "message of the bible" that it says, "about 1914 jesus hurls the serpent satan to the earth...." i can't remeber ever hearing the word "about" and 1914 placed together before in regards to this event.

are there any jwapologists, or anyone else for that matter, who have an explanation for this?.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/appendix-b/message-of-the-bible/.

Jeffro

heathen:

To me 1914 fits because it matches jesus words of what his presence would be like in mathew 24 , nations would rise against nation and kingdom against kindgom ... more or less pin pointing a world war

No, no and no.

For starters, "World War I" is just a label, and the 'Great War' wasn't even called World War I until 1939.

There had been earlier wars that involved countries in every inhabited contintent. Various wars prior to WWI had been regarded as "world wars", including the Napoleonic Wars, the 30 Years War, the 80 Years War, and the 7 Years War.

The words attributed to Jesus in Matthew 24 were an allusion to events leading up to a final attack on Jerusalem by the Romans, but aside from that, the events of the supposed 'composite sign' can be attributed to any period.

And aside from all that, 607 BCE for the destruction of Jerusalem is just plain wrong, and there is no genuine basis at all for arriving at 1914 for 'Jesus' doing anything at all.

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The murmuring phase is the beginning of an ex-JWs progression towards fading.

by Stand for Pure Worship in

jw
friends

i suppose part of the fascination i have with this board is, the exotic nature of those making up the member population.

i say exotic because, as you yourselves will agree with, folks such as yourselves don't hang around the christian congregation for long upon making the decision that truth is not for you.

(rom 1:25) this "fading" thing spoken of here likely plays a role into why christians such as me find the average ex-jw to be a bit fascinating.

Jeffro

Stand for Pure Worship:

It's also strange considering the fact that, The Truth doesn't change

Instead of focusing on keeping up to date and accepting the adjusted understanding of God's organization, they choose to focus on the imperfections of those presenting the modified truths

Idiot. With that kind of 'logic', it's little wonder you couldn't offer anything sensible on the thread about Jeremiah 29:10.

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Satan thrown to earth "about" 1914?

by wearewatchingyouman in

so i'm thumbing through the new "silver sword" and i notice that in the appendix under "message of the bible" that it says, "about 1914 jesus hurls the serpent satan to the earth...." i can't remeber ever hearing the word "about" and 1914 placed together before in regards to this event.

are there any jwapologists, or anyone else for that matter, who have an explanation for this?.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/appendix-b/message-of-the-bible/.

Jeffro

Farkel:

It's all fungible, you know.

That would suggest something of value. So probably not.

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WT gearing up to dump Russell and come clean on early history?

by Comatose in

we've discussed this on lots of threads, but i've noticed a few things lately.

they seem to be talking about the early days on a very regular basis, almost constantly.

the change to fds happens and this involved a dive into early history and a few knocks on russell.

Jeffro

AudeSapere:

What is the 'Silver Sword'? Is this something that a JWN poster came up with or is it a real JW phrase?

It is the new grey New World Translation. It is an informal term, but it seems that it was JWs that started saying it.

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WT gearing up to dump Russell and come clean on early history?

by Comatose in

we've discussed this on lots of threads, but i've noticed a few things lately.

they seem to be talking about the early days on a very regular basis, almost constantly.

the change to fds happens and this involved a dive into early history and a few knocks on russell.

Jeffro

Now the new tract according to another thread is discussing 1874 in it.

Can you provide a link to the other thread?

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Satan thrown to earth "about" 1914?

by wearewatchingyouman in

so i'm thumbing through the new "silver sword" and i notice that in the appendix under "message of the bible" that it says, "about 1914 jesus hurls the serpent satan to the earth...." i can't remeber ever hearing the word "about" and 1914 placed together before in regards to this event.

are there any jwapologists, or anyone else for that matter, who have an explanation for this?.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/appendix-b/message-of-the-bible/.

Jeffro

Funny how Rutherford decided to change the name to "Jehovah's witnesses" in... 1931.

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Question for JW apologists...

by Jeffro in

the new new world translation translates jeremiah 29:10 as follows:.

10 for this is what jehovah says, when 70 years at babylon are ful?lled, i will turn my attention to you, and i will make good my promise by bringing you back to this place.. the official watch tower society teaching is that by the end of the 70 years, the jews were back in judea, and that their actual arrival in judea marks the end of the "70 years".

*** si p. 85 par.

Jeffro

DS211:

Is it slimboy fat pm-ing? Lol

I'm sure I couldn't possibly say.

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Question for JW apologists...

by Jeffro in

the new new world translation translates jeremiah 29:10 as follows:.

10 for this is what jehovah says, when 70 years at babylon are ful?lled, i will turn my attention to you, and i will make good my promise by bringing you back to this place.. the official watch tower society teaching is that by the end of the 70 years, the jews were back in judea, and that their actual arrival in judea marks the end of the "70 years".

*** si p. 85 par.

Jeffro

wasblind:

Evidently, Jehovah's Witnesses no longer have " evidence" that Satan started WWI

It seems that in the JW mindset, all was well in the world and... suddenly... out of nowhere, World War I happened in the magical year of... 1914. Anyone reading only JW literature might be forgiven for thinking that, out of the blue, Archduke Ferdidand was assassinated on a whim, and that that was the very beginning of the conflict.

Back in reality, it followed on from the Balkan Wars of 1912 - 1913 (which themselves followed on from tensions that had developed throughout eastern Europe from the mid-19th century onwards).

Funnily enough, JW literature has seen fit to discuss many wars. The following wars are specifically listed in the JW Publications Index under the main entry for War:

Peasants' War (Germany) (1524)
Eighty Years War (1568-1648)
Thirty Years War (1618-1648)
English Civil War (1642-1651)
American War of Independence (1775-1783)
Napoleonic Wars (1803-1815)
Opium Wars (1839-1842; 1856-1860)
Maori Wars (sporadically, from 1845-1872)
Castle War (Mayans vs. Spanish) (1847-1853)
Taiping Rebellion (China) (1850-1864)
Crimean War (1853-1856)
American Civil War (1861-1865)
Boer War (1880 - 1881; 1899-1902)
World War I (1914-1918)
Spanish Civil War (1936-1939)
World War II (1939-1945)
Korean War (1950-1953)

In addition, various Watch Tower Society publications discuss or at least mention just about evey other notable conflict worldwide, as well as various minor civil wars. And yet the Watchtower Library CD-ROM does not make one single mention of the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913, even when specifically addressing the history of World War I.

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Question for JW apologists...

by Jeffro in

the new new world translation translates jeremiah 29:10 as follows:.

10 for this is what jehovah says, when 70 years at babylon are ful?lled, i will turn my attention to you, and i will make good my promise by bringing you back to this place.. the official watch tower society teaching is that by the end of the 70 years, the jews were back in judea, and that their actual arrival in judea marks the end of the "70 years".

*** si p. 85 par.

Jeffro

Doug Mason:

It simply means that instead of bring in the destruction of Jerusalem, the WTS simply has to jump from its mythical 537 date to the (undateable) exodus into Egypt. Of course that could mean that if the exodus took place in 607 and there was a 4 year gap to the destruction of Jerusalem, they would simply only have to move Jerusalem's Fall to 611 BCE.
It's that simple for them.

Except that has nothing to do with the problem with the relative timing inherent in their new rendering of Jeremiah 29:10.