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  Goodbye to all

  by abiather in

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  i say goodbye to all of you because of the tremendous pressure from my family members who are jws.. anyhow, i enjoyed my association with you for a short period!

  it is part of life, as the bible says: we are all temporary residents here (hebrews 11:13).

  this is my favorite scripture that has helped me to remain always balanced and equi-poised, helping me not to be greedy towards things or people expecting from them too much!.

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  Jeffro

  abiather:

  Very nice goodbye to me from you all

  It's unclear how you would accidentally link one letter of your post to the profile page of user label licker. It's also not entirely clear why you would do it deliberately.
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  Goodbye to all

  by abiather in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i say goodbye to all of you because of the tremendous pressure from my family members who are jws.. anyhow, i enjoyed my association with you for a short period!

  it is part of life, as the bible says: we are all temporary residents here (hebrews 11:13).

  this is my favorite scripture that has helped me to remain always balanced and equi-poised, helping me not to be greedy towards things or people expecting from them too much!.

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  Seeing as you're one of the sockpuppets recruiting for Brahma Kumaris, it seems unlikely that you leaving this forum would have much to do with your JW family. But if it is, I hope they get you out of the weird new-age quasi-Hindu thing too.
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  The most disturbing Watchtower quote in 2013.

  by never a jw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am trying to put together the worst of 2013. the first quote that comes to mind is possibly your "favorite" too.

  do you have any other disturbing quotes from the publications in the wt?.

  elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

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  Fencing:

  Is it just me, or is WTWizard going more and more off the rails as time passes?

  It's not just you.

  (Hint: Astrology has no basis in fact.)
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  Leaving a church in Germany?

  by Nika Bee in

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  i have a technical/bureaucratical question for anyone in germany who has experience with this.. the background is, i got baptised as a jw as a teenager in germany, then moved to the us, where i daed.. from my research on the internet, i seem to understand, that when you get baptised in germany, they inform the appropriate authority depending on the state you live in, in bavaria this would be the "standesamt".

  is that correct?

  or does one have to do this by oneself?

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  Nika Bee:

  As I understand, any organisation which is a "Körperschaft des öffentlichen Rechts" could theoretically register their members. I am trying to find out, if they actually do.

  If JWs will go to court over having to obtain a free permit for 'preaching', you can bet they would fight tooth-and-nail to avoid paying church taxes or for registering membership with 'worldly' governments.
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  Leaving a church in Germany?

  by Nika Bee in

  1. jw
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  i have a technical/bureaucratical question for anyone in germany who has experience with this.. the background is, i got baptised as a jw as a teenager in germany, then moved to the us, where i daed.. from my research on the internet, i seem to understand, that when you get baptised in germany, they inform the appropriate authority depending on the state you live in, in bavaria this would be the "standesamt".

  is that correct?

  or does one have to do this by oneself?

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  Jeffro

  Do you pay Church Tax in Germany as a member of JWs? If not, the registration probably isn't relevant to JWs. (I would have thought the registration of baptisms there is specific to the Catholic Church.)
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  The most disturbing Watchtower quote in 2013.

  by never a jw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am trying to put together the worst of 2013. the first quote that comes to mind is possibly your "favorite" too.

  do you have any other disturbing quotes from the publications in the wt?.

  elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

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  never a jw:

  Thanks Jetro.

  Jeffro

  I wasn't too far off after all.

  Indeed. It's no surprise that they keep things as ambiguous as possible. Especially since whenever they've been specific in the past about such things, they just embarrass themselves. Although 2014 is very 'exciting' for them, slightly increasing the chances of them saying something incredibly stupid (even more than usual).
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  The most disturbing Watchtower quote in 2013.

  by never a jw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am trying to put together the worst of 2013. the first quote that comes to mind is possibly your "favorite" too.

  do you have any other disturbing quotes from the publications in the wt?.

  elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.

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  Over%forme:

  "the assyrian" attacks? What is that?

  The same magazine says:

  In the near future, Jehovah’s apparently vulnerable people will come under attack from the modern-day “Assyrian,” whose intent will be to wipe them out. The Scriptures refer to that attack as well as the attack of ‘Gog of Magog,’ the attack of “the king of the north,” and the attack of “the kings of the earth.” ... Do these represent separate attacks? Not necessarily. The Bible could be referring to the same attack under different names.

  Basically, "the Assyrian" is whatever boogeyman the Watch Tower Society decides seems like the biggest 'threat' at any particular time.
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  Yes, it's... ANOTHER problem with JW chronology...

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  according to the watch tower society, ahaziah (of judah) reigned for a single year, in 906bce.

  the watch tower society also claims that judah and israel both used nisan-based dating for the start of reigns.. according to 2 kings 9:29, ahaziah's reign began in the 11th year of jehoram (of israel).

  of course, if judah and israel were both using nisan-based dating, ahaziah's single year of reign couldn't have started in both years.

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  Jeffro

  I should clarify that JW literature does claim that Jehoram's 12th (final) year was 905BCE rather than 906BCE. It is therefore implied (but not stated) that his 'first' year in 917BCE was an uncounted 'accession year'. However, that 'excuse' does not work because any such accession period transitioning from Ahaziah (of Israel) to Jehoram would have been during the final year of Ahaziah (of Israel), which JWs place in 918BCE (plus, JWs claim that Ahaziah's reign was 'credited' to Jehoram as of 919BCE, further negating the likelihood of a separate accession period). Without calling 917BCE an 'accession year', that gives Jehoram a sole reign of 13 years if 905BCE is taken as his final year. That would mean that 'reconciling' the reign of Jehu in this manner would simply move the extra year back into the reign of Jehoram instead.

  I should also add that in addition to the way the reigns are given in my chart, there is another scenario that is compatible with the reigns of Ahaziah (of Judah), Athaliah, Jehoram (of Israel), Ahaziah (of Israel) & Jehu. That is that Ahaziah (of Judah) may have started his reign near the end of Jehoram's 11th year, such that it could be given as that year or rounded off to beginning in his 12th year. In this scenario, Athaliah and Jehu would still both begin to reign prior to Tishri of 840BCE.

  If Jehoram (of Israel) began his reign between Tishri & Adar (approx. October to March), it would then be possible that Ahaziah (of Judah) began his reign between Nisan & Elul (approx. April to September) of 840BCE (instead of late 841 to early 840BCE). In such a scenario, Athaliah's reign would still begin prior to Tishri of 840BCE. However, comparison of the transition from Ahaziah (of Israel) to Jehoram with the reigns of Jehoshaphat and Jehoram (of Judah) does not suggest that to be the case.
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  JWDEFENSE youtube channel

  by wannaexit in

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  wondering what to make of this youtube channel.

  looks like it could be put out by wachtower.

  http://www.youtube.com/channel/ucn6uoc8oxbgrhqqazu6unsq/videos.

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  Jeffro

  The "About" page for the channel states:

  This is NOT an official channel for Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
  This channel presents a defense against any false or misleading claims about Jehovah's Witnesses. In addition, it answers frequently asked questions about the Jehovah's Witnesses' organization as well as answering Bible questions.
  I am currently a baptized Jehovah's Witness in good standing, and I attend a congregation in the United States of America. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has NOT asked me to make this channel. I do this of my own choosing.
  For more information on Jehovah's organization and accurate Bible teachings, visit JW.org

  But even if that wasn't there, the banner and channel logo are very poor quality.
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  Yet another problem for Watch Tower Society apologists

  by Jeffro in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  amos 1:1 is set during the reigns of both uzziah and jeroboam (ii), "two years before the earthquake".. geologists* have dated this earthquake to around 760bce, with an error margin of plus or minus 25 years.. *steven a. austin, gordon w. franz, and eric g. frost, "amos's earthquake: an extraordinary middle east seismic event of 750 b.c.

  " international geology review 42 (2000) 657-671. y. yadin, hazor, the rediscovery of a great citadel of the bible (new york: random house, 1975).

  i. finkelstein, "hazor and the north in the iron age: a low chronology perspective," bulletin of the american schools of oriental research 314 (1999) 55-70. d. ussishkin, "lachish" in e. stern, ed., the new encyclopedia of archaeological excavations in the holy land (new york: simon & schuster, 1993) vol.

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  Jeffro

  Thanks Bart. I also noticed another article that references Herzog in reference to the relevant Iron IIB period. The article is about pottery at a different site during the earlier Iron I and Iron IA periods, so it doesn't have a lot of detail specific to Herzog. However, it does confirm that these strata were determined based on carbon dating and not expected regnal years. The article associates the Iron IIA period with the period up to the end of the 9th century, placing Iron IIB well into the 8th century BCE. Also, Fantalkin & Finkelstein quite definitely disocciate the earthquake from the Iron IIA period. The Finkelstein article notes, "Finally, from the ceramic point of view, it is impossible to equate Iron IIA Lachish IV and Arad XI with Iron IIB Hazor VI."

  See also this article by Finkelstein. It includes a diagram that very definitely indicates that carbon dating confirms that the transition to the Iron IIB period was after 800BCE.