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  Were Daniel and Jeremiah contemporaries?

  by shotgun in

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  i've recently read who wrote the gospels, it mentioned on a side note from the gospels that daniel was probably written around 200 bce not during nebuchadnezzars reign.. in daniel chapter 9 he mentions reading the phophetic words of jeremiah about the 70 years of servitude.

  jeremiah lived in a different land (judah) while daniel was in babylon.

  how would daniel have been able to get jeremiahs scrolls seeing they had just been written and also the position daniel was in as chief of nebuchadnezzars magic practising priests would not have bode well for real jewish worshippers to think about making any saturday morning placements with him.. the book i read states that jeremiah, daniel and most of the other books seperate from the talmud were not canonized until around 200 bce.. any thoughts on this or have you done or read anything on this subject.

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  Jeffro

  Jeremiah and the author of Daniel were almost certainly not contemporaries.

  For an overview of the book of Daniel and how all of its contents relate to the period of writing in the second century BCE, see here.
  
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  Early Evidence for 1 John 5: 7

  by Perry in

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  italic 4th and 5th century.

  629 in the 14th century.

  429 in the 14th century (margin).

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  Perry:

  Hundreds of fulfilled prophecies are not something that can be made up on the fly, we don't live long enough to pull something like that off.

  Entirely untrue. It's much easier to look at source material (supposed 'prophecies) and make up fulfilments than it would be to actually recognise actions as 'fulfilling' an ambiguous passage of an ancient text. This is especially the case where there is absolutely no evidence of any eye-witnesses to the alleged events and a largely illiterate public.
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  Video of JW's street witnessing using a tablet ... getting owned by BIble users

  by wannabefree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i came across this video ... and watched it ... why?

  i don't know really, but i found it intersting.. especially interesting was how these men used the bible, they knew their message, they used an actual hard copy bible that has obviously been studied, and the older jw man, well, he was using a tablet.

  it seemed cumbersome compared to using the actual bible.

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  GoneAwol:

  At 12:45, the dude is reading Ps 148 v 13. He nearly finishes it before saying to the dub, "i`ll wait up 'till you find it". On your slow-pad.

  This reminds me of something I recently noticed about the 2009 revision of the Reasoning Book, which omits the entire section from the original version about what to say when someone says, 'I'm a Muslim'.

  The original publication included the following condescending drivel (underlining added for emphasis):

  If they make strong assertions concerning their beliefs, it can be beneficial to ask them, tactfully, to show you the point in the Koran, sura (chapter) and verse. (Wait while they search for it.) When they are unable to find it, some give evidence of greater willingness to listen to what you show them in the Bible.
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  Video of JW's street witnessing using a tablet ... getting owned by BIble users

  by wannabefree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i came across this video ... and watched it ... why?

  i don't know really, but i found it intersting.. especially interesting was how these men used the bible, they knew their message, they used an actual hard copy bible that has obviously been studied, and the older jw man, well, he was using a tablet.

  it seemed cumbersome compared to using the actual bible.

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  Calebs Airplane:

  JWs love to brag that they know more about the Bible than any other religion. But this just isn't the 80's anymore... In fact, as this video illustrates, JWs are finding it increasingly difficult to defend their beliefs because they invariably get schooled by guys like these... By the way, did anyone notice how these guys engaged in 80's-style JW "street witnessing"? You know, the militant kind that JWs used to practice when the "message" used to be "urgent" and/or "life-saving"... But notice how the passive "techy" old man quickly finds refuge in his tablet while the worldly preachers pounced on his partner... Really sad and pathetic... I'm sure they were both thinking to themselves: "Damn, we should have just kept walking and counted the rest of our time at the coffee shop down the street."

  There's always been 'householders' who've known a lot more about the Bible than JWs. When encountered, JWs have always just shrugged them off as stubborn' or 'unteachable' for not agreeing with JW dogma, occasionally with a false promise of 'doing more research on that'. And of course you're not going to hear about such encounters at JW conventions. If we had youTube in the 1980s there would be videos of the same kind of thrashing back then.
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  Video of JW's street witnessing using a tablet ... getting owned by BIble users

  by wannabefree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i came across this video ... and watched it ... why?

  i don't know really, but i found it intersting.. especially interesting was how these men used the bible, they knew their message, they used an actual hard copy bible that has obviously been studied, and the older jw man, well, he was using a tablet.

  it seemed cumbersome compared to using the actual bible.

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  steve2:

  Well, I'll grant that the taller Israeli knew his stuff but boy does he sound arrogant, swishing his water bottle around, telling the other Israeli to look up the scriptures for him and saying in an emphatic manner, "Listen" before embarking on another round.
  Perhaps it's a cultural thing, but he comes across as pushy and dogmatic.

  KateWild:

  The non-JWs are dogmatic. The priest asks questions and doesn't listen to answers. He interupts and doesn't stick to a point.

  Sounds no different to any other evangelical preacher.
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  Did it bother you that they taught, "miss a meeting and you'll fall away?"

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  how many times did we hear that if we dont attend meetings we will leave the truth because satan will get ahold of us?

  that always bothered me.

  i thought, "if my faith isn't able to stand alone what good is it?

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  I recall a particular 'MS' who wasn't particularly eloquent, so when he gave public prayers it was pretty much exactly the same wording every time. One of the things he'd say without fail was asking 'Jehovah' to "help the sick ones get back to the meetings". Never "help the sick ones to get better," just get back to the meetings. I can't recall whether this was a stock phrase used by other JWs or just him.
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  Did it bother you that they taught, "miss a meeting and you'll fall away?"

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many times did we hear that if we dont attend meetings we will leave the truth because satan will get ahold of us?

  that always bothered me.

  i thought, "if my faith isn't able to stand alone what good is it?

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  Constant indoctrination is important for maintaining irrational beliefs.
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  Snow in the Bible, say what.

  by jam in

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  most people think of areas around israel and the eastern.

  mediterranean sea as being warm to hot dry deserts in .

  biblical time and especially doing moses tracked in the desert.. the first mention of snow in exodus 4:6 "behold his hand was.

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  blondie:

  The Jews did not live in Egypt their whole existence. Jacob and his family moved down there when Joseph was second in command.
  Also from the age of 40 to 80 Moses lived with his wife's family near Mount Horeb (Sinai) where it snows.

  There's no evidence that Moses existed or that the Jews were slaves in Egypt. The 'Exodus' story is a re-write of older Ethiopian stories and other myths. Like the other books attributed to Moses, 'Exodus' was written in the 6th century BCE. It's self-evident that the authors were familiar with snow, and not remarkable given that people would have at least seen snow-peaked mountains from a distance, and heard about snow through traders, even if they had not themselves experienced snowfalls.
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  Video of JW's street witnessing using a tablet ... getting owned by BIble users

  by wannabefree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i came across this video ... and watched it ... why?

  i don't know really, but i found it intersting.. especially interesting was how these men used the bible, they knew their message, they used an actual hard copy bible that has obviously been studied, and the older jw man, well, he was using a tablet.

  it seemed cumbersome compared to using the actual bible.

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  Jeffro

  I like the way it ends in the usual JW escape clause: "we'll have to do some research".

  And they were never seen again.
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  Nimrod: Fact or fiction

  by dugout in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  nimrod and the tower of babel-is this history or biblical myth.

  god confused their lauguges?.

  sounds quite comical when you think about it.

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  Jeffro

  The placement of the Nimrod character in the obviously mythical Genesis clearly designates Nimrod as another mythical character. The tale of 'God confusing languages' is also obviously a myth intended to 'explain' the variety of human languages at the time of writing.